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  • in reply to: disc-shaped aircraft #1830974
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    in reply to: China to build 3 Aircraft Carriers #2077103
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    China has apparently been working on an aircraft carrier program since the early 1980s, and as part of this effort a F-8 Chinese fighter was reportedly shot off of a steam catapult at the Lushun naval base in 1987.

    http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/china/lushun.htm

    June 1
    China’s Navy [PLAN] has decided to join the “aircraft carrier club,” reports the Jane’s International Navy publication. According to Chinese sources, the program has been approved to further the Navy’s plan for blue-water power projection in the South China Sea and for more distant future wars. Jane’s believes that the PLAN will model its carriers on the Russian Kuznetzov aircraft-carrying cruiser, which would suit China’s needs. The first ship in this program, code named Plan 9985, will be built at the Shanghai Jiangnan shipyard. The aircraft carrier’s ski-jump design will accommodate 24 combat aircraft, primarily Su-30MKK Flanker variants. The ship will also carry two missile batteries capable of housing 24 weapons. These could include the SS-N-22 Moskit supersonic anti-ship missiles, or its successor Yahont. Drawing on Russian expertise, China is also working on a land attack cruise missile, which could be included in the ship’s arsenal.

    http://www.afpc.org/crm/crm311.htm

    http://www.stormpages.com/jetfight/luhai_luhu_luda.htm

    PLAN Project 9935 [Aircraft Carrier]
    http://www.fas.org/nuke/guide/china/aircraft/project9935.pdf

    10. The PLANAF Future Carrier Air Group: All pilots of PLANAF Fighter Air Divisions are required to “carrier qualify” at an airfield on a mock-up of HMAS Melbourne’s flight deck. [HMAS Melbourne was scrapped in China]. For this reason, it appears likely that PLAN carriers may operate aircraft from these air units, rather than dedicated carrier air groups (which have not appeared, even though two carriers are reported under construction in Shanghai). It is reported that these carriers are designed to operate about 48 aircraft . In this context, it is interesting to note that the new Fighter Air Division will have 40 active aircraft: 20 J-8II fighters and 20 JH-7 fighter/attack aircraft. The PLANAF appears to prefer the FC-1 (“Fighter China”) project to the J-11 (Su-27) as a future aircraft. [The FC-1, designed with assistance from MiG, is similar to the MiG-33, a single engine development of the MiG-29. It is designed to replace the J-6 and Q-5 at reasonable cost, having only one engine.] If this aircraft is indeed adopted, it is possible that future Fighter Air Divisions might operate about 20 J-10 or FC-1 and 20 JH-7.
    PLANAF Carriers: While three graving docks have been built at Shanghai large enough for the new (reportedly 48,000 ton) carriers, only two seem to have been laid down. [Janes Fighting Ships 2001-2 is listing only one; Jane’s All the World’s Aircraft 2001-2 is listing two; Combat Fleets of the World 2002-3 says none]. While three graving docks are sufficient to build six carriers in 6-9 years, actually doing so is probably cost prohibitive. Since no dedicated carrier air groups are being organized, and since PLANAF Fighter Air Divisions are being required to “carrier qualify” it appears that they will provide the air groups for the first generation of Chinese aircraft carriers. There are apparently five such divisions. [If the First Air division is a Fighter Air Division and if the 10th Bomber Air Division is eventually converted to a Fighter Air Division, there would be seven such divisions.] Given that the air defense of bases and naval units over the entire length of the Chinese coast remains, it appears likely that there is no medium term requirement to outfit a large number of carriers. Instead, it seems likely the two ships under construction will be the first generation of Chinese carriers. Note that the use ability of all PLANAF fighter units to land on and fly off carriers is unique in history.
    http://www.fas.org/nuke/guide/china/agency/planaftoe.html

    CDF
    wer2 BS 48
    Fighters Aircraft- 20 / J-8B
    http://www.sinodefence.com/airforce/aircraft/fighter/j8b.asp
    Fighter-Bomber aircraft- 20 / JH-7A
    http://www.sinodefence.com/airforce/aircraft/bomber/jh7.asp
    AEW-2/Y-7
    http://www.sinodefence.com/airforce/aircraft/transport/y7.asp
    ASW- 4/ Z-8/ 2-Z-9
    http://www.sinodefence.com/airforce/aircraft/helicopter/z8.asp
    http://www.sinodefence.com/airforce/aircraft/helicopter/z9c.asp
    CDF

    in reply to: disc-shaped aircraft #1831433
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    Chinese Military Aviation
    (The secret truth behind U.S. built flying wing disc aircraft)

    All Rights Reserved

    By Michael H. Schratt & Jack – February 2003

    Illustrations by Michael H. Schratt, Chuck Biddlecom

    and

    Gino Marcomini

    -Page 1-
    http://www.usafflyingsaucers.com/real.html

    in reply to: disc-shaped aircraft #1553086
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    in reply to: disc-shaped aircraft #1553249
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    The IFO Picture Library is a collection of “real flying sauser” photos and drawings, without much technical data or long ghost stories, just so you can see what has been made and designed so far. There are many IFOs designed, but naturally only a few crafts were build and few of them flew.
    http://www.laesieworks.com/ifo/lib/index.html

    in reply to: disc-shaped aircraft #1553251
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    Originally posted by Airbedane
    The Nemeth Umbrella Plane had a circular wing and flew in the USA in the 1930’s. A three-view and picture were published by Bill Hannan in his booklet – Plans and 3-Views Vol 1. I built a profile test model for CO2 which flew beautifully, but a second attempt at a more scale structure didn’t get of the ground – or at least, it kept spiralling in……

    I saw a 5 or so second clip of the original in the air in a 1930’s movie some years ago. I think it was called ‘The History of Flight’. Did anyone else have the pleasure? yes

    Airbedane.

    Vought V-173 / XF5U-1
    “Flying Flapjack” or “Flying Pancake
    http://www.daveswarbirds.com/usplanes/aircraft/flapjack.htm

    in reply to: disc-shaped aircraft #1553720
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    Project Y
    http://www.ufx.org/avro/genesis/y/projectY.htm

    Project Ladybird
    http://www.ufx.org/avro/ladybird/ladybird.htm

    PV. 704
    http://www.ufx.org/avro/pv704/pv704.htm

    Weapon System 606A
    In January 1959, Avro’s Special Projects Group issued a report on the engineering specifics of the Mach 3, VTOL fighter-bomber version of the WS-606A design.
    This iteration was roughly the size and weight of a modern Harrier. Its wing was about 29 feet in diameter, and overall fuselage length was 37 feet. Takeoff weight with 7,500 pounds of fuel was 20,000 pounds, and a 1,000 pound weapon load (described in one document as a Mk 28 tactical laydown nuclear bomb, which had a selectable yield of 350 kt to 1.3 Mt) could be carried to a target 600 miles from base at a speed of Mach 2.5. Propulsion was provided by a dual-mode engine which combined a radial-flow turbine, for takeoff and hover, with six Marquardt ramjets for supersonic cruise.
    Vertical takeoff and landing was achieved by diverting the thrust of the radial impeller downward through a series of slots around the rim of the disc, forming a “curtain wall” effect. Multiple spoilers in the slots could vary the size of the orifices and divert the airflow in any desired direction. Forward flight was to be achieved by diverting the flow aft and accelerating to speeds where the ramjet engines would sustain combustion. In horizontal flight the fan flow was used for attitude control as well as thrust, and supersonic speed was to be achieved using ramjet power, but at the cost of high fuel consumption
    http://www.ufx.org/avro/ws606/ws606.htm
    http://www.ufx.org/avro/ws606/tr276.1.htm

    in reply to: disc-shaped aircraft #1553726
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    Originally posted by JDK
    Real ones;
    There is a circular aircraft that was built and flew in Australia – it used to be in the Wangaratta museum, called the Ringwing’. It only ever flew as a towed glider, and once the civil aviation authorities caught up with the maker it was frounded pronto. Given the Aussie humour it was always known as the ‘Flying Dunny Seat’.

    The Canadians also flew a proper disc – the ‘Avro ‘Avrocar’ IIRC but it never really suceeded.

    Not to menttion the Kitchen pre- W.W.I iems, and the Vought ‘Flapjacks’

    Quite a theme…

    THE VZ-9 “AVROCAR””
    By Bernard Lindenbaum and William Blake
    http://www.vtol.org/pdf/Vertiflite-VZ9.pdf
    http://www.virtuallystrange.net/ufo/mufonontario/avro/avrocar.html
    http://www.aviation-history.com/garber/vg-bldg/avro_VZ9V-1_f.html

    in reply to: disc-shaped aircraft #1553730
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    Originally posted by Nermal
    Maybe Kenneth Williams saw this too? – Nermal

    “Flapjacks”
    http://www.ufx.org/flapjack/boeing390.htm

    in reply to: disc-shaped aircraft #1553831
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