The Lavi-2000 was the larger and much improved version of the Lavi. Its canards were moved slightly forward and its tail-fin was modified as well. The inward cranked delta wing was changed to a normal delta wing.

Only designs of this fighter existed…along with wind tunnel models (perhaps ?).

Shortly before the cancellation of the Lavi programme, it was proposed that the Israeli Ministery of Defence (MoD) would sponsor what was then termed the Lavi 2000, a new combat aircraft for the next century….but it never happende 🙁

Almost everything for the Lavi-2000 was ready, except the funding.

some links that shed some light on the Lavi-2000 :
http://www.csd.uwo.ca/~pettypi/elevon/baugher_other/lavi.html
http://www.milavia.net/users/fighterjets/aircraft/lavi.php
http://www.combatsim.com/archive/htm/htm_arc3/lavi3.htm

The picture included by Deino is the Israeli Arie…a kind of a predecessor to the Lavi programme that was in R&D in the late 70’s

This thread is 18 months old…
Your information includes nothing new about the “Lavi-2000”.
From knowing the subject and talking to people who worked in the Lavi project, as well as journalists who wrote about it, there was מo serious work done about the “Lavi-2000”. It was a desperate ettempt to save the project from being cancelled by trying to convince the Israeli government that such airplane, which was virtually nothing more than the regular Lavi, is too good to be cancelled.

I went through your list of sources – the first one is extremely good, I’ve read it a couple of times before. But no source mentions the changes in the airframe that you claimed that existed.

PS: Try not to revive such old threads again, especially for no good reason…

Well, if anything comes out of it eventually, we’re gonna see it here:
http://www.dsca.mil/PressReleases/36-b/36b_index.htm

I find it silly for any country to buy F-16’s without any BVR missiles when they are facing one that is well intergrated with BVRAAM’s.

The JF-17 bight offer more capabilities than an F-16 that can only fire sidewinders against Mig-21 bisons that fire R-77’s.

Without BVR missiles, the capability of an F-16 block 52 that pakistan has bought will fall short of the capabilities of the latest BVR capable Mig-21 bison with the latest new aveonics, cockpit and weapons.

And how can you tell these planes won’t have a BVR capability?

Some nice pics from Edwards.
1. F-22.
2. Blackbirds.
3. D-21.

Gentleman, does anybody know when exactly was the end of operational carreer of Kfir in 143. tayeset Smashing Parrot (the last squadren that used it)?
And what happened with the 143-ird than?

Thanks in advance
Ivan

IIRC the last squadron that operated the Kfir in the Israeli AF was the “Defenders of the south”. The last Kfirs went out of service in about 1995. The official date was never published.
The Smashing Parrot is, AFAIK, currently not active.

Hey SOC, I have also been messing with google earth and am fascinated by it. The stuff that all of us here have been able to find on our on base is kinda scary. but is there a way that you can tell me where the U-2 in flight is? I have been looking for an aircraft in flight but have not scored yet. I will admit that it has taken up alot of our time here at work. Just dont tell Uncle Sam 😉

Here you go:

Yes you could replace the avionics and radar to match the F-16 E/F , but only in a few years when you’ll have an AESA radar fully operational and in the class of the one of the F-16 E/F which is not yet the case ( ok soon , but not yet). 😉

BTW, still no pics available of the real cockpit of the Sufa ?
the description made in the article from the link Deepspace posted makes it sounds like the F-16 ACE one. That would make sense.

About the avionics and radar – as I said, there’s not much chance the Americans will let us do this upgrade, at least not for the next 10 years.

The only reliable picture of the Sufa’s cockpit that I know of can be found here:
http://www.hannants.co.uk/search/?FULL=ISRA02-5
It’s small, I know, but you can buy the book if you want a better view. Either way, you can see it seems much less advanced than the ACE, with only two displays (one colourful) in the front cockpit. Maybe the looks of it hide its capablities, but as I see it right now, there’s little to compare between this cockpit and the Block 60’s. Even the ACE’s cockpit looks more like the Block 60’s.

Yes the UAEAF F-16E/Fs are the most advanced F-16s but for how long cuz unlike the UAE Israel has a big industry when it comes to arms and aircraft systems. I remember a article about a Israeli radar so powerfull that the US did not allow its installation on the Vipers.

But for the F-16E/Fs…………………………its lonely at the top 😀 :diablo: .

Well, the F-16I’s and Block 60’s airframes are basically identical. The only real differences between them are the radars and avionics. In theory, Israel could replace the Sufa’s systems in order to match them to the Block 60’s level, and even more. However, Uncle Sam won’t let us do it, for their own reasons, mainly due to pressure from their aviation industries and their lobbysts. Without the plane’s source code there is little we can do.