No it doesn’t necessarily say that it is for American Tomcats. The original Polish text could possibly clarify it, but “US F-14 Tomcat fighter planes” could just as well mean “US made F-14 Tomcat fighter planes.”. It’s not that Swidnik is above doing business with more or less obscure countries: they did deliver W-3 Sokols to Myanmar and Mi-2s to North Korea before (and i’m not talking about the Communist era, but afterward).
Another option i can think of would be for a QF-14 program, but i personally think that one is even further fetched. Not only is there no such program that i am aware of, but also because there is a whole bunch of other companies which are more likely for such a contract.
And probably even further fetched is that the US really loves wasting money, like on totally useless offset deals. Or wait – no, that actually sounds perfectly well possible :rolleyes:
Does the F-16 deal includes an offset agreement?
Andway if it does, there are better things the Poles manfacture other than useless spares for a soon to be grounded airplane.
About the Iranian option – pretty much impossible. The Iranians are operating them succesfuly for the last 20 years without either the US or the Poles. They don’t need imported spares. They make them themself. About upgrading, sounds little bit weird too. The Poles aren’t exactly well known for their avionics. The Iranians better call Israel for that :p
Erez, Poland is not Pakistan. They do not have to shake about whether the deal with the F-16 works out good or not, in this case it is US suppliers who has to do so.. If Poles decided to smash the F-16 deal off the table, they’d have new offers on their tables tomorrow, starting with Gripen and Mirage 2000-5 Mk2 and ending with Typhoon, this all including offset programmes two times higher than the value of their aircraft.
But yes, I have doubts, too, that they should be producing any parts for Iran, not speaking about something that sensitive as modernisation of F-14.
Anyway, the article clearly states the spares are meant for American Tomcats.
Actually it does:
for the modernisation of US F-14 Tomcat fighter planes
Anyway, the Polish won’t sell spare F-14 parts to Iran. They don’t want to make Uncle Sam mad now. Not when their F-16 deal is cooking.
Erez, those pics take helicopters one step beyond NOTAR 😀
Aditya, the V is a common recognition marking on Israeli vehicles.
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Well, the Dhruv is said to be a super next generation heli 😀
Seriously though, the model still has to be finished.
Thanks for the series of pics, Erez. They are really neat.
I have a doubt: I did not hear that the opsec rule that forbids mentioning squadron numbers was lifted. Was it?
Ref the effect of the CFTs on RCS, everybody is reasoning like those things were made of radar-reflecting material. I’m not in the secret, ofc, but somehow I doubt that IAI did not think of it before everyone here… 😀
No problem mate.
About the squadron numbers, basically in official papers you’ll never see them, but today they are freely mentioned by any serious newspaper here and around the world, without any trouble.
The CFTs were probably mathematically designed with angles that will ease the larger RCS effect.
This is how the Dhruv might look in Israeli service. We’ll have to wait a few weeks and see 😉
Well Offtopic but doesnt these conformal tanks lead to increase in RCS of F-16? :confused:
They are designed to have the least possible effect over RCS and aerodynamics.
One Question are these conformal tanks Detachable? Do all F-16 60 BLK posses these conformal tanks?
PS: Hope not Inflamatory :p Does any one has news of which Israeli F-16 version participating with IAF SU-30?
Yes they are. The first F-16Is came to Israel without the CFTs. That’s probably because the CFTs are made in the IAI, Israel.
About the F-16 against SU-30, no idea.
Just saw some new pics. Note the plane’s number – 119. Just like the first plane to be produced was 253, the Negev squadron number.
Also note plane 411, a Negev squadron bird.
I think I heard that Derby is in use with the IDF/AF, but only the F-16′ units are using them. The F-15’s are using AIM-7 and I guess AIM-120.
This is an interesting thread, but rather sad for me I suppose….
Ah, the Kurnass….
Rumor says 201 would be the last to open F-16I squad. I personally hope they’ll get the F-35 or other new generation aircraft. They deserve it.
Israel also has its own spysats. No need really to risk pilots to fly so far just for pictures when you got spysats.
Unless of course it’s some sort of a secret American black project, Aurora maybe? 😀
I hope all our east Asian friends here are ok…
That was 1997 now it is 2004. No secondary role for Russia in upgradation of Russian equipment.
Actually it was only a few months ago.
And trust me, French/Israeli upgrades are usually way better than the Russian offers.
High ranking Israeli and Indian security delegations agreed that both nations’ air forces will hold joint maneuvers in 2005, Indian media reported Saturday. According to the report, Israel requested that the maneuvers utilize its fleet of F-16 fighter jets, and Russian-made Sukhoi-30s.
Israel reportedly agreed to upgrade India’s fleet of Chita helicopters, as well as its fleet of Topolev-142 reconnaissance airplanes, that serve India’s navy. The delegations also discussed tests India is conducting on Israeli-made Lahat anti-tank missiles.
India is also considering buying Israeli-made Heron drones, and cooperating with Israel on the production of Barak 2 navy missiles.
On Friday, the senior Indian delegation concluded a secret visit to Israel to discuss the arms trade between the two countries and their fight against terror.
The nine-member Indian group, headed by the defense secretary, met with Defense Minister Shaul Mofaz and the ministry’s director general, Amos Yaron, among other officials.
A spokesman for the Indian embassy in Israel confirmed the visit Friday, although the Defense Ministry refused to comment on it. The embassy spokesman said the visit was routine and related to the ongoing dialogue between the two countries’ security establishments.
Israel is India’s second largest supplier of weapons, after Russia, and the Israel Military Industries recently announced it would supply the Indian army with unmanned drones worth $250 million.
Since full diplomatic relations were restored between India and Israel in the last decade, Israel has sold India $2 billion worth of weapons. The two countries have also agreed that Israel will sell India an early-warning Falcon plane, and Israel is expected to sell India two additional planes as well.
Russia has recently demanded that India buy more weapons from Russia and threatened that if it won’t, Russia will supply Pakistan with arms. Israel hopes that any worsening in relations between those two countries will make Israel an even bigger weapons exporter.
Nothing new with that really.
What’s really upset me is this Russian blackmail – “buy Russian or we’ll sell Russian to your enemies”. It’s way out of place. The same goes with that statement showing the so called “positive” side of tensions between India and Pakistan to Israel. If we’ll be earning money over war and blood, we’re not any better than the Russians.
Selling weapons and military technologies is a very profitable, yet risky business. After all what we all should really hope for is peace.
Merry Christmas and a happy new year 😉
The Ugandans did upgrade their birds in Israel. I’m not quite clear whether this was just an overhaul or even a zerotiming of the airframe or a complete MiG-21-2000 upgrade. I mailed the photographer but to my disappointment he only had the one photo 🙁
Do you have any upgraded MiG-21s? I have been looking for pix of Israeli upgraded Fishbeds for ages with little luck apart from this Ugandan Sparka and a couple of Ethiopian MiG-21’s but those were only overhauled in Israel not upgraded.
There are these three, pretty new photos of these Ugandan MiG-21s. They were surely overhauled, and they added some devices on it like flare launchers, but I can’t really see from here whether they put new gizmos in the cockpit or not.
http://www.airliners.net/open.file/635473/L/
http://www.airliners.net/open.file/724023/L/
http://www.airliners.net/open.file/724024/L/