Well it also matters how many F-16Ns, Kfirs, A-4s and F-5s the Aggressor squadrons operated. They had tons of F-5s and A-4s, that the USAF and USN weren’t using anymore, so they could use each one for a couple of years and then dump it. The F-16 is known to have problems with cracks in his wings anyway, and they had a small number of Kfirs.
I’m not so sure it’s all about quality, quantity might play a role here. I could be wrong though.

You mean in IAF markings? Not many, unfortunately.

See the attached one, that some silly site disfigured with their watermark before going out of business.
(IIRC, ioio.net was some brazilian outfit, interested in the kfir when it was Brazil’s net thing, before they elected Lolobrigida as pdt who killed the deal)

I am not surprised that there aren’t many pics, since AFAIK it did not really serve with the IAF, rather was a demonstrator for IAI to export.

You’re right, it didn’t really serve in the IAF, just in the IAI. I was hoping though that they took some more pictures of it…
I believe the picture with the watermark is actually from http://www.iafe.net , and can be seen here:
http://www.iafe.net/images/aircraft/small/126.jpg
He watermarks all of his pictures, and quite franky, rightfully, as he got some pictures that belongs to his private and rare collection.
Here’s another nice picture, of an IDF/AF Kfir C7 in Ben Gurion airport in 1992. Note the wrap around wind shield, and I think it’s a Popeye missile under its wing:
http://www.iafe.net/images/aircraft/small/128.jpg

You can always settle with the Cheetah if you like. It’s got the best of both worlds: the lighter and stronger fuselage of the Mirage, but will all sorts of Israeli goodies in an ugly nose.

One thing often forgotten about the Kfir is that those aircraft were nowhere near as sturdy as the original Mirages. The F-21s as used by the USN and USMC were literally flown to pieces in less than three years. Obviously they suffered hard as agressor aircraft, but if you compare the structural record of the F-21/Kfir (written off after only a few years of intensive useage) with that of the original Mirages (airframe lives well over thirty years and still in service, despite heavy useage), the Kfir doesn’t look well.

As far as being ugly, it’s your personal opinion and looks like you are alone at it :diablo:
You can’t really compare a service of an aggressor fighter to that of a regular one, and remember that the USN and USMC leased a very small number of these planes, so a lot of flying time for each machine.

I remember that the original mirage3/5 have rocket engine for extra power. Was there any rocket engine in the Kfir? Haven’t seen any.
And does anyone know how that worked in the mirage… Thanks.

No, there was no need to install it. The IDF/AF simply didn’t need it. The rocket engine wasn’t even installed in the Mirage IICJ.

No it is not, but you can bring it up to C-10 level.
The modification to Pantera just reveals again.
Both are basicly Mirage IIIE/Vs.
The Israeli assembled named Kfir C* with J-79 engine.
Both of them you can modify up to the level you wish and have the money.

Well it’s a problematic statement. Keep in mind that the Kfir’s airframe has commonality of 60% only with the Mirage V. The back of the plane is redesigned, the intakes too, the nose, the wings, the vertical stabilizer, the canards… not quite the same plane.

There was a Palestinian state established in 1948, when the UN and the UK split the territory in half when they gave in to the Zionists. Israel then proceeded to eventually decide it needed to occupy most of the land given to the Palestinians and put up a concrete wall around the rest.

No, the partition plan wasn’t executed because:
We, the jews, agreed to it, and started celebrating, dancing etc after the UN voting, while the Arabs, ****ed off, started shooting at us. That was the begining of the 1948 war, that resulted that Israel became much larger than planned, but without half of Jerusalem, that according to the UN was supposed to be an international city.
So don’t BS on things you don’t really understand, the Palestinians never had a state, and never a state called Palestine.

Honduras Air force is a typical air force of central America only few F-5s, some C-101 aviojets and Dassault Orugan the rest are eiher utility aircraft or obsolete designs in contrast Peru has MiG-29s and Su-25s

That’s actually an upgraded Super Mystere, with a Skyhawk engine. They no longer fly sadly.

BTW I just remembered a story about Sharon that happened just a few months ago. The man was in a long trip in his car, when suddenly he got hungry. He choose MacDonalds 😀
Yep, Ariel Sharon is lovin’ it too 😀

I still think however Israel, as a modern state should take the first steps in the peace proces. I’m not a Sharon-fan, and I would definitelly favour Peres as the new PM, but even then, Sharon does not form such a threat to worldpeace, in contrary to GWB. In fact, I was suprised so many people in Israel stayed relativelly calm during the past few years of terrorism. I think Israel is lucky it doesn’t have GWB as a PM. I still think Israel should withdraw from the occupied territories, but it’s clear to me most Israeli’s actually want an independent Palestine, apart from some ultra-orthodox rightwingers.

And we will, hopefully, by 2005. Since, obviously, the Palestinians can’t fulfill their part of the Road Map, we will just do our own, one sided moves. That’s Sharon’s seperation plan.