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September 7, 2004 at 4:21 pm in reply to: IAI Kfir History #2654081

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yes you are right, but the vast majority are very brief, for example i read that the Kfir plans were based on stolen Mirage V blueprints but that is very scketchy i do not know who was the chief engineer and how was it`s flight test program if the were many aerodynamic configurations and how Israel managed to get the Machinery to built the Mirage V and later build the Kfir, how was as a fighter in combat and so on

Well if you’re talking about the engineers in the IAI, they are mostly unknown. One of the known ones is Ovadia Harari, that later led the Lavi project, and Moshe Keret, the CEO today.
As said before, first we built the Nesher, a 1:1 Mirage V copy. Then it was the ‘Technolog’, a former IDF/AF Mirage IIIBJ, that demonstrated several technologies of the Kfir, then the “Raam” that was a Nesher with a small intake on the vertical stabilizer (not kfir like) that was a testbed for the J-79 engine. It crashed to the sea piloted my Menachem Shmul, today a factory manager in the IAI and the former chief test pilot of the Lavi. Following it the Kfir C1 was designed and produced in limited numbers, and later the serial production of the C2s and 7s, that ended in 1983.
How did we get the machinery?
Well we had experience with the Fuga Magister, and of course repairs and conversions of aircraft. How did they actaully got the machines themself, I don’t know. Either produced here or in France (secretly delierved or bought before the embrago) or the US.
The Kfir performed well in combat (and I’m refering the combat record in Israeli service). The Kfir C1 was produced to be a front line interceptor, but then the F-15 came and the IAI had to adjust the Kfir to strike role, by manufacturing the Kfir C7. In Israeli service, the Kfir shut down only one plane, a Syrian MiG-21. But it’s not because it wasn’t good enough, it’s just that he was never assigned for intercepting and escorting missions, and only carrying AA missiles as self defence.

“Kfir” is pronounced the way you read it. Simply Kfir 😉

September 7, 2004 at 3:23 pm in reply to: Ofeq-6's Launch Failed #2057791

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To have own satellite comes to be usefull, when there is the danger, to be cut off from such information. (Your country is under an embargo for example.)

Military sats usually offer greater resolution, and without all the political business. You don’t need to ask anyone for favors hopeing that he will be willing to help you whenever you need, wherever you need.

still, the overall tone too paranoid. the iranians have been living with a nuclear-capable israel for 35 years. if you’re really scared of getting nuked, worry about some arab driving a truck with a dirty bomb/nuke into tel aviv, or a ship with the same bomb into Haifa or Eilat. besides you guys have Arrow 2! S/MRBMs shouldnt be your biggest fear.

So far our least protected warfield are the skies, even with the Arrow. You can never trust a man made machine to work 100% all the time.
They could live with our nuclear ability because we have a democratic, responsible regime, that can’t just shot anyone it wishes. The Iranian regime can, even without asking their people (or their representives).

With Sateilletes and the US providing Israel with F-15I and F-16I, America is virtually giving a nudge for Israel to bomb Iran…..

And?
Why not?
Do you really think we can accept the Iranians having nuclear weapons?
Only responsible and stable regimes should be allowed to have nuclear ability. Iran’s regime is neither.

We have more infos from Global-Security about Irans atomic installations than from Israeli intel. The European satellites and intel from inside Iran is more than Israel can achive alone. At least Israel can claim it is from Ofek 5/6/*. The problem for Israel is, its interest shows, where it is looking for and two independent analysis excists about that.

I wouldn’t underestimate the Israeli intelligence like that. The European satellites aren’t much better, if at all, from the Ofeq 5 or 6.
I believe that we also have people in Iran.

September 6, 2004 at 7:58 pm in reply to: IAI Kfir History #2654682

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There are planty resources of information on the Kfir in the internet, but when I come to research about a plane I usually do some ‘Googleing’ before. I believe you’ll find there anything you’ll like. And if you’ll be a little bit more specific and bring some questions, I could answer them.

September 6, 2004 at 3:18 pm in reply to: Ofeq-6's Launch Failed #2057950

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To spy which nations? I doubt they are going after Irac now…

Mostly Iran, but also any other country we need.

condolences.

Thanks, but as said, it’s not that serious 😉

Anyway. Israel has one of the largest spysats in the region. I don’t think the others will stay behind. Just a matter of time before others will buy the tools to do the same.

A long time… the only nations in the region that have both the money and the technology (or ability to get the technology) to launch spysats are Iran and Egypt, but it doesn’t look like they put that kind of attention to the space.

September 3, 2004 at 10:55 pm in reply to: Russian school seige Beslan #1964314

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There are countless deaths, including of children, in Chechnya, in Afghanistan, in Iraq, in Israel. Perhaps us wonderful people in the west should check that we are without sin before casting stones. I do not, I hasten to add, condone what has happened in the school – how could anyone possibly do so? Its indefensible – but don’t preach to me about the evil of Islam or the good of the west unless you understand the former and can see further than your nose on the latter. We live in bad times, and that’s from ALL angles.

Oh, and Usual marvellous Russian rescue job once again. Its always the innocents who suffer.

Of course we should see what we did wrong, if we did wrong. But terrorism, especially against unarmed civilians, can never be justified.

September 3, 2004 at 9:05 pm in reply to: Which superhero are you?! #1964347

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I’m like Flood – William Wallace 😎
FFFFFRRRRREEEEDDDDDDOOOOMMM 😀

September 2, 2004 at 3:38 pm in reply to: What should Mexico replace their F-5 with? #2657579

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The Kfir-2000 can be used as a poor man’s advanced multi-rule fighter, and with the ties we now create with Mexico, it might even come true.

August 31, 2004 at 10:55 am in reply to: Israeli Arrow missile fails to hit target in California test #2058925

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Steering Failure Causes Arrow-2 To Miss Target

http://www.defensenews.com/story.php?F=3147305&C=mideast

August 30, 2004 at 9:05 pm in reply to: IDF F-15s #2659721

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Oh, how much longer will they be called navigators?
BTW i dont know if anyone already noticed (didnt read the entire topic) but this picture is fake http://forum.keypublishing.co.uk/at…tid=13610&stc=1
1. EW antenna on the tail the F-15I doesnt have
2. navigation stripes the F-15I doesnt have
3. poor photoshop job on the IAF symbol on the nose.

the original picture is of a strike eagle.

Well, do you prefer ‘weapon system operator’? :p
About the pic, it’s a PS job made in 1997 by the IAF Magazine to show the readers how will the F-15I look. Quite a good work considering the time it was made…

August 30, 2004 at 4:59 pm in reply to: IDF F-15s #2660130

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and the ram is awsome at that role.

If you’re asking me, the Raam (and the rest of the Strike Eagle family) is the only replacer for the F-4.

Don’t get me wrong… I wasn’t criticizing, just commenting. I believe the IAF is the best, most professional airforce in the world (yes, above the USAF- and that’s coming from someone who grew up in the USAF).

No, it’s ok, I understood your intention – I was just commenting too 🙂

August 30, 2004 at 4:44 pm in reply to: How can Mig 1.42 be Stealth ? #2660150

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Maybe not the aircraft itself, but I wouldn’t be surprised if one day the XXJ will turn out to be a MiG 1.42-son :rolleyes:

August 30, 2004 at 4:41 pm in reply to: IDF F-15s #2660153

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And why not?
Most of the fighter bombers need a navigator – it started with the F-4.
Just for another pair of eyes I will take a two seater.
There is actually a great story about the evaluation of the Phantom before been bought by the IDF/AF. In that time the IDF/AF prefered single seaters, so they thought about asking the US to develop a single seater F-4 for them.
Beni (Benyamin) Peled, the AF commander at that time, sent a group to the US, and he told to one of them – “I’m sending you to see if there is a need for a navigator in the Phantom – and the answer is better be ‘no’ “.
In the end they understood the power of the navigator in a fighter bomber like the F-4, and since then the Israeli fighter bombers are mostly two seaters.

August 30, 2004 at 2:09 pm in reply to: superb Swiss Mirage III video #2660279

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😮
Beautiful flying 😉
16 minutes of pure joy 😀

August 30, 2004 at 1:45 pm in reply to: IDF F-15s #2660283

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http://jccc.afis.osd.mil/images/hres.pl?Lbox_cap=1047383&dir=Photo

August 30, 2004 at 12:02 pm in reply to: How can Mig 1.42 be Stealth ? #2660290

Erez
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Infact no aircraft is totally invisible to radar just some less visible than others!

Yes, but for example the B-2A is said to have an RCS of a bird…
The MiG is said to be using ‘Plasma stealth’, I have no idea about this technology.
Is it even proven? did they test the 1.42 against radars?
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