sheytanelkebirI would have thought that Turkey should invest in a nice flexible UCAV to be flown off these ships instead of resurrecting a zombie impractical VTOL jet from the 1980s.
Improve the air defence of the ship with Russian multi layered AD.
Implement Rail Gun and Directed Energy Weapons on the platform
Have various helicopters for the usual tasks.
And then a load of Long Range UCAVs for the deep strike / recon / elint role
far more 21st century.
sheytanelkebirduring the 1991 gulf war, Iraqi MiG25PDS ran dozens of escort and diversionary missions to cover and protect the flight of bombers, transports and other jets from Iraq to Iran.
They succeeded in protecting most of the jets that set out to ferry across the border to Iran and many of the encounters with F-15s and others were during these diversionary missions. Its notable that the US had non stop AWACS and dozens of F-15s in the air at all times to try and destroy as many Iraqi aircraft as possible. In addition to the flat open terrain and the several hundred km run to the iranian border for many of the aircraft. the MiG25s did their job very well under the near impossible circumstances then.
It is notable that they themselves did not evacuate. Just covered the evacuation flights.
sheytanelkebirGot a quick question.
hmm We know that Iraqi Mirage F-1 has exocet capability, however AFAIK Cyrano radar was not support this missile, i wonder if Iraqi F1’s or some of them equipped with Agave instead.
that’s one of the old myths.
Actually Iraqi Mirages (and the Falcon-50) had specially upgraded Cyrano 4MR radars to work with both Exocets as well as additional land attack modes. No agave (would be silly to include such an old radar).
sheytanelkebirhttp://iraqimilitary.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=71
http://iraqimilitary.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=68
When I compared that data I found: 128 F1 ordered and 113 F1 delivered till summer 1990. Without the Kuwaiti examples That are 20 more than 93 delivered If the 76 remaining in 1990 is correct, the total losses are 37 F1 till the French stop of summer 1990.
no. The numbers do not include the 15 twin seaters.
The number of single seaters delivered was 93. Of which 76 were available in 1990. Total loss of 17 single seaters between 1981-1990 including accidents. Tom Cooper’s publications variously claimed about 60+ mirages shot down by iranian F14s and F5s and F4s… in addition to ground based air defences. A true figure is nearer 15… about a quarter of the claims.
Iraq recieved 15 twin seaters. 3 of these were lost between 1981-1990 in non combat incidents.
sheytanelkebirthe last 2 L-159s (new built twin seaters) have been delivered to Balad Air Base in Iraq.
L-159s flew 398 combat sorties against Daesh.
sheytanelkebirThe only way you will have peace in the Middle East is to either listen to Turkey or let Turkey sort it out. We have ruled this part of the world for in excess of 700 years and know it better than any outsider up to every single local tribesmen.
I do note in Turkey people thought there were two tribes called “black arabs” and “white arabs”.That 17% of Iraq’s population are Turkmen (reality is 0.3%) and many many more howlers.
PS. I can’t speak for other countries, but in Iraq the ottoman period is called the “dark ages”. For good reason. Go to Baghdad and you can find buildings from BEFORE the ottoman period, as well as 99% of the city which was built AFTER the ottoman period… now find something actually FROM the 700 years of ottoman rule… 😉
what I’m trying to tell you here that turkey won’t “sort” anything out, and turks in general are very ignorant about the rest of the middle east, especially about how the “glorius ottoman” period is perceived there. 😉
sheytanelkebirthe sunni Turkmen mass murdered the shia Turkmen in tel afar in 2014. not Saudis, not “arab al ahwar” (I don’t know what brought them into this?)… Sunni Turkmen. i.e. the “proper” Turkmen did it. No one else.
I myself am an atheist. So from my perspective its just different fictional sky fairy stories fighting. Just telling it how it actually is.
Iraq was never a united nation. It was a nation of shias, kurds, Christians, mandeans and Yazidis lorded over by sunni arabs.
Iraq is now finally taking its natural shape, shaped by realities on the ground. That reality means Kurdistan and a Shia dominated Central and southern Iraq with a “deranged void” in between that has to simply be kept at bay. If Turkey thinks it has something to gain by sending its military into this deranged void. They are welcome to go and have the times of their life there.
sheytanelkebirSheytanelkebir, the last I checked the terrorists were being harbored in Iraq and crossing the border to attack Turkey and then retreating back into the safety of ‘sovereign’ Iraq. Turkey has repeatedly warned that if Iraq and Syria cannot prevent these cross-border terrorist attacks it will.
that’s Kurdistan not Iraq. know the difference.
If you think the West will stop Turkey in taking such measures you are grossly mistaken. All Turkey has to do is give a few more concessions to Russia and China and get them to look the other way and also to keep Washington/Europe at bay
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don’t care. that’s between the kurds and turks. nothing to do with Iraq. Are you sort of getting it?
Furthermore, do not forget the Iraqi Turkomen. Turkey can use them as a pretext at any point in time to take necessary measures in Iraq. If the Kurds get a State- Turkey will carve out another chunk for the Turkomen in Iraqi cities that matter- Mosul. You would note that the Treaty of Laussane is silent on Mosul and Turkey has not signed any Treaty with Iraq on the status of Mosul
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How can I forget the 0.3M Turkmen? Heresy!
However it may have come to your attention that the number of sunni-turkmen in ninawa is trending to zero just about now. I am curious to know which particular cities you’re talking about?
Or is this some sort of 500 person village of Turkmen you’re thinking of?
Tel afar in which the Salafist Turkmen are at the point of extermination at the hands of the PMU with the turks unable to do anything?
We’ll rename it Armen. Just for the giggles.
Note, that from our perspective (southern Iraqi), areas like ninawa are just a buffer zone to keep the crazies (kurds, turks, sunni-arabs) away from our heartlands in central and southern Iraq. So if the turks decide to go full-mong there, it really is no skin off our back. The more the crazies fight far away from us the better. Turkey, Ninawa and Kurdistan are far. We couldn’t give an Australian beer for it 😉
The only people we care about there are Shia Turkmen, Shabak, assyrians, Armenians and Yazidis. I think the world should create a state for them in the Ninawa region far away from the depredations of all the major parties (shias, sunnis, kurds, turks).
In brief: the Middle East is now in one big mess post-Bush administration.
In brief, you need to read more than hurriyet.
sheytanelkebirDidn’t Saddam Hussein gas a whole bunch of them though?
Yes he did. The areas along the Kurdistan-Iran border region during the iran-iraq war (which he postulated as an isolation zone due to Kurdish-Iranian collaboration during the war). But it was the same Baathists goons who gave Kurdistan the right of self determination already in 1970 (after the kurds have been fighting for decades against iraq), and kurds had self-rule from 1970-1975, but never took independence because they weren’t happy with the amount of land (and oil reserves) they had… so from 1970 onwards Kurdistan has been fighting to increase its land mass, deport non-kurds from areas they take over, and “change” the place names (for example, the capital Erbil, has been called Erbil for nearly 4000 years and is a Semitic/Assyrian city name… Kurds now want people to call it “Hewler” and many of the kurdophile westerners started calling it Hawler, as if it was “evil arabs” who changed the name to Erbil and now it was “reverting” to its origin…). similarly Iraqi Christians were always anti-kurd… but somehow the western media always portrayed kurds positively despite their participation in genocide against middle eastern Christians and taking over their town and cities (which now make up most of Kurdistan).
Of course saddam killed an even greater number of shia arabs after 1991… so his madness wasn’t only against kurds per se (even during the 1980s, he carried out the ethnic cleansing against eastern kurds in collaboration with western kurds… a.k.a “saddam’s knights” as they were known… and who include much of the present Kurdish leadership.
here’s izzat al douri and chemical ali with the Kurdish leadership in 1984…
http://kurdistan.photoshelter.com/image/I0000Bh9PRKG_rBM
I find it fascinating how little people know about Iraqi Kurdistan and its relations with Iraq and its history. There’s just the default “arab bad, kurd good, fight freedom”.
anyway, back on topic.
With Kurdistan in Iraq potentially finally declaring statehood this year… It will open a whole new can of worms for the other countries with large Kurdish populations. If the KRG can somehow get rid of Barzani, then they could come to an agreement to include the Syrian part of Kurdistan into the state… and then the “big fight” for “northern Kurdistan” will be in sight.
At that point in time, I don’t think there’ll be many hurriyet readers who’ll have Iraq and its rights on their mind.
sheytanelkebirIraq should first gets its own house under control before seeking to make threats/demands against the world’s 6th largest military power. Make no mistake the Turkish Armed Forces will continue with cross-border operations until Iraq prevents cross-border attacks on Turkey by the PKK and other proxies. The Iraqi Government needs to realize that there is only a finite time that Washington can protect Iraq. When the oil is finished the US will leave. However Turkey will always be a neighbour.
If Iraq continues its belligerence against Turkey it will have no drinking water within 10 years time. Turkey controls the flow from the Euphrates and Tigris.
In any event Turkey’s response to this issue is here: http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/bas…&NewsCatID=510
1- Iraq doesn’t really consider kurdistan its territory and hasn’t controlled that area for nearly 30 years. Iraq gave its Kurds the right to self determination in 1970 (47 years ago) and it seems that maybe this year the Kurds will exercise that right and take full independence. Sadly, as protocol requires, Iraq still “nominally” exercises sovereignty over that area. But soon enough we won’t have a border with the turks thankfully!!
2- I suggest you look at a hydrogeologic map of Iraq as well as a reading of water salinity levels in the Euphrates and Tigris south of Baghdad. Iraq needs massive solar desalination in the south of the country already today because the water coming from turkey is basically swill… hopefully the turks going full-mongol will focus the minds of the slow-motion idiots in Baghdad to speed the developments of solar desalination up. Hydrogeology also means that you can’t really stop water flowing too much (it will flow as ground water to the basin).
3- We can certainly stop all trade with and ties with turkey in a pinch ($8Bn a year… that’s around 5-6% of turkey’s total exports worldwide)… far easier than Turkey attempting to “stop water flowing south”… especially as much of the water from that basin is used for farming for export by turks… and guess who is one of the biggest export markets for turkish farming produce… 😉
I do hope the turks go ahead and continue to be beligerent towards Iraq even more, because without the turks open beligerence, the iraqi government will do nothing about stopping turkish imports or about water salinity in the south… hopefully it will also mean that Iraq won’t think about running any gas or oil pipelines of our own through turkey.
sheytanelkebirthe Mi-171 is Iraqi army aviation. that’s either a canvas or photoshop Kurdish flag.
sheytanelkebira pretty cool 360 degree interactive video with the iraqi army aviation over mosul.
sheytanelkebirIA-407s armed with APKWS fighting tag team with Mi-28Ne
we can see one of the APKWS failed to explode. but the accuracy was stunning.
sheytanelkebirthe T-50IQs were assembled by Korean Technicians with Iraqi assistants in hangars at Shoaiba air base in Basra.
The first unit has flown yesterday.
sheytanelkebiroops. here’s the right thread.
the T-50IQ are shipped by ferry on their way to Iraq now. All 24 have been completed and test flown.
http://iraqimilitary.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=1650&start=330
I note that the aircraft were kept stored in Korea for an extended period of time (about a year) since their new base in Suwayra was not completed due to budgetary issues that Iraq faced. Hopefully the base is getting ready to receive them finally. Notably the base is also built by a korean chaebol… in addition to all the new military bases and HQs and barracks that the iraqi military is constructing… all built by a korean chaebol (hanwha) who operate the largest pre-cast factory in the world in Iraq.
THe pilots for the aircraft begun training already in 2014-15:
2014-2015 Iraqi air academy: Cessna 172, Lasta-95, T6A texan-II
2015-2016 Pakistan – K8 Karakoram
2016-2017 Korea – T-50
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