another rare one from the Iraqi Military forum 😉

enjoy.

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Not sure where you are getting the numbers of claims for the Iraq war, there are certainly more than your numbers: F-15 kills according to several different sources:
http://www.rjlee.org/air/ds-aakill/
http://www.acig.org/artman/publish/article_217.shtml
http://www.dtic.mil/cgi-bin/GetTRDoc?AD=ADA398080‎

IRAQI RECORDS. A quite comprehensive breakdown of Iraqi losses was discussed and analysed over on the iraqi military forum. http://iraqimilitary.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=71
The numbers are coming from the Iraqi presidential archive from 1991 which was documenting Iraq’s losses in 1990, but included “pre-1991 war” figures for 1990 which were used to deduce estimated losses from the 1980-88 war. Even at the “worst case” scenario no more than 150 FIXED WING Jets were lost. Total losses including army aviation helos / PC7s were in the 250-280 aircraft range.

and further updates are coming all the time on both the Iraqi Military forum and the “Former Iraqi Airforce” Facebook page where Iraqi records are slowly opening up along with pilot and officer records. In fact the books of former High ranking Iraqi Armed Forces officers discussing the 1991 war speak of the “low losses” due to careful deployments and SEAD during the war with Iran vis a vis the 1991 war which they openly admit devastated and completely destroyed the Iraqi Airforce (so they’re not just trying to sugarcoat the events or something – unlike the outlandish stuff that came from ACIG ).

We both know the “ACIG” numbers are fantasy by now 😉

some rare ones from Iraq 😀

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So how exactly is Iraq’s attack helo fleet going to look like now? I can’t say I have high hopes for Iraq, I don’t like the prospect of where some of this equipment could end up.

It should be a pretty interesting mix by the end of this year…

Ah64D (upgraded to block III)
Mi35M
Mi28Ne
maybe Ka52 ?

aided with:
EC635 armed with 20mm cannon, INGWE missiles
IA407 light attack and recon helos armed with 12.7mm and 70mm rockets
Mi171 armed with SACLOS malyutkas and S8 rockets

Still for anti terrorism patrols in the western desert regions the armed UAVs they’re buying will be more useful.

an update with details.

Item quantity note<br />
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AH-64D Apache upgraded to E 6 leased helicopters<br />
Ah-64E Helicopter new build 24 new build<br />
AN/AAR57 common missile warning system 8<br />
T-700-GE-701D engine 71 all helos have the Ah-64E engines<br />
AN/ASQ-170 MTADS 30 Modernized Target Acquisition and Designation Sight<br />
AN/AAQ-11 Modernised PNVS 30 all helos have the Ah-64E system<br />
AN/APG78 longbow radars with Electronic 12 only for half of new builds<br />
AGM-114 K-A hellfire missile 152 from lease order<br />
AGM-114 R hellfire missiles 980 including separate order<br />
Hellfire missile conversion,<br />
blast fragmentation sleeves,<br />
and installation kits<br />
Hellfire M299 launcher 74<br />
AN/AAR-57(V)7 Common Missile Warning 28 only for new builds<br />
AN/APR-39A(V)4 radar warning system 34<br />
AN/ALQ-136A(V)5 Radar Jammers 28 only for new builds<br />
AN/AVS-6 52 only for new builds<br />
Apache Aviator Integrated Helmets 90<br />
Embedded GPS INS 2<br />
Embedded GPS INS Multi Mode Receiver only for new builds<br />
AN/APR-48 Modernized Radar Frequency Interferometers only for new builds<br />
AN/APX-117 IFF<br />
AN/AVR-2A/B Laser warning detector 34<br />
M261 2.75 inch rocket launchers 12<br />
M206 IRCM flares<br />
M211 & M212 advanced IRCM flares<br />
internal auxiliary fuel system<br />
aviator's night vision goggles<br />
aviation mission planning system<br />
training ammunition<br />
helmets<br />
transportation<br />
spare and repair parts<br />
support equipment<br />
publications and technical data<br />
personnel training and training equipment<br />
site surveys<br />
Government and contractors

The “weapons, support, training” part of these contracts is always significantly more of the cost than the “aircraft” part… so the price is well below $100million per AH-64.

the price is $200M per helicopter. how much of that for “weapons, support, training” ? (considering the other buyers also bought training, weapons and support in their orders for about $65M per aircraft).

This has to be a new low. We are paying F22 money for an attack helicopter 😡

an oldie 😀

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