A simple question.
Would it be politically acceptable in Sweden to sell gripen to “unsavoury” regimes like Iraq? I know that in the past they threw up their corn flakes at the first suggestion of even “simple” transfers to Iraq (like AT4s)… after Iraq has undergone 3 successive democratic elections (2006,2010, 2014) and still has free media etc… would the swedes accept selling to iraq?
but honestly, in terms of airframe and tech… the T50 is a better buy for most small countries than JF17… even if they have to “finance” it over 10 years.
The Gripen is a bit “higher” up the food chain than these two and has a suitably higher price tag.
Correction- the JF-17 is 3000 hours not 4000 hours design airframe life.
Also, whats the source of your claimed performance and design service life data for the KAI T-50?
according to LM … its 10,000 hours.
http://www.lockheedmartin.com/us/news/trade-shows/farnborough/stories-from-the-show/t-50.html
so effectively one T50 airframe will last the same as 3x JF17s. allied with the longer lasting F404 vs the RD93… further reinforces the strength of the T50 for operators seeking low lifecycle costs.
airframe:
T50: 10,000 hours
JF17: 3000 hours
Engine time between overhaul
F404: 2000 hours
RD93: 750 hours
Only potential weakness is the smaller number of precision ordnance compatible with it… (and that is mostly a political decision rather than a limitation of the golden eagle).
yes that was the other on!
Airframe hours:
T50: 8000 hours
JF17: 4000 hours
You’re getting 2 JF17s every time you buy one T50… if you fly them constantly and use up the hours.
some positive points for the T50 are:
Max payload:
T50: 4500kg
JF17: 3600kg
combat range:
T50: 1800km
JF17: 1352km
Thrust to weight ratio:
T50: 0.96
JF17: 0.95
Twin seater for attack. 4 eyes better than 2.
BVRAAM:
T50: AMRAAM capable
JF17: PL10/12
The JF17s advantages are:
-freedom from US hegemony
-definitely will get updates without restrictions that the US/LM places on T50
-Ability to carry a good range of Chinese/pakistani precision air to surface / sea ordnance.
-Better climb rate.
so is that pic above a photoshop or not?
great news for Saab and Brazil!!!
Now the Gripen NG’s future is sealed.
any details on the breakdown of the deal? what does the $4.5Bn include? and how do SAAB calculate their much vaunted “$4000/hr” operating expense?
I think the APG67v4 has a search range for fighter sized aircraft of about 50-60km. the korean updated development of the EM2032 achieves maybe double that. But figures are difficult to come by.
there must have been a reason that the koreans fought tooth and nail to change the APG67 to another radar for the FA50…
Now northrop grumman is supplying apg68v9 for the iraqi F16s… I wonder if the Iraqis have attempted to get SABR for the T50IQ (a fit which KAI has already “discussed”)… of course that would hit the wall of LM not wanting competition for the F16 and the US restricting exports to “unreliable” iraq.
OK. back on topic 😀
This picture has emerged… is it photoshop or not?
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OK. I am slowly coming round to accept that horrendous pricetag for support 🙁
that’s rather pricey support for a LIFT! we’re not talking about F22s here… but of course it all “depends” on the actual content. If its literaly just some spare parts and fitting them… too pricey. if it includes MLU / engine changes / overhauls, it gets a bit more “acceptable”… if it includes armaments and the like… then its a good deal.
there is already an air academy with all facilities that already has several aircraft types (cessna 172, lasta, T6, C208 caravan, Bell206)… I don’t see how they can justify $1Bn for service and support cost (even over 25 years)… unless they are planning on buying additional aircraft of the type to be supported from this fund.
great result! another myth laid to rest.
First news of the selection of the T50 actually came from a meeting between chief of staff of iraqi armed forces and LOCKHEED MARTIN! representatives in Baghdad (a few days before signing) and NOT in a meeting with KAI reps!
So I believe that Lockheed Martin (and USA?) have given their “blessing” for the Iraqi satraps to buy this 😉
actually now I wonder what will happen with the JF17 deal? would the Iraqis still buy a “few” in order to extract AMRAAM / AiM9X / JDAM deliveries out of the americans?
FA50 is also twin seater. The Iraqi plane is a variant of the FA50 as it was stated in all sources.
Although KAI had discussed the installation of F414 and AESA radar on a “future” FA50/TA50 I don’t know if such a thing will happen for Iraq’s planes… if it does it will explain the price at least!