surprisingly none of the old MiG25 operators signed up to buy them (except Syria’s aborted attempt).
Libya, India, Iraq, Algeria… all ex/current MiG25 operators who could in theory afford the MiG31s…
about $6bn a year on arms for the next 5 years, increasing about 20% per annum.
2013 – $6bn
2014 – $7bn
2015 – $8bn
2016 – $9bn
2017 – $10bn
2018 – $12bn
2019 – $14bn
2020 – $14bn
that’s about $80bn from now until 2020… just on arms expenditure (excluding OPEX)… yes it may go down to $70bn in reality, but even at that level. and spending only 35% on the air force, that can buy them some pretty serious kit. probably not as much as my “dream air force”, but certainly more than Chile.
my “fantasy iraqi air force” would be:
36x F16s – second line multirole type (2 squadrons)
48x MiG35 – main multirole type (3 squadrons)
36x SU34 – strike/bomber/maritime attack (2 squadrons – same fleet size as what they planned for SU24MK earlier)
36x SU35S – main interceptor (2 squadrons)
18x MiG31BM – high end interceptor/recon/DEAD (1 squadron)
48x Yak130 – trainer / COIN (3 squadrons)
would be a nice matchup vs Iraq’s neighbours… 13 squadrons, but quality.
After 2020… they could think of getting 1 “5th generation” squadron, maybe FGFA/T50 or J31…
fuel cost is probably not such a major issue for the iraqi air force. they had a fleet of 35 MiG25PDS/RB/Pu … and I am sure they can handle 18-30 MiG31E just fine. in terms of the tremendous interception capability it would give them, nothing can match it. They will have the capability of stopping neighbours F35s and Typhoons with ease. Worth a little “premium” IMHO.
Also they would operate these from Habaniya / Tammuz AB right in the middle of Iraq. this means they are safe from air attack from neighbours, and have sufficient time to scramble to intercept enemy aircraft nearing iraq’s borders.
still I am just dreaming 🙁
like i wrote in the other thread…
I think Iraqis (if they got their way), would buy a combo of MiG35 and maybe some MiG31E for the high end. Quite simply because of the performance characteristics of the MiG31 for interception.
During its time in Iraqi service, they lost only 3 MiG25PDS in combat. 2 against Iran and 1 against a brand new (at the time) AiM120. In turn they flew many thousands of missions in very difficult combat situations (against Iran and US). things like Mirage F1 or MiG29 simply could not hold a candle to it… (both in terms of performance, but also in RWRs and ECMs)
Today those “lessons learned” would still be with them to an extent. Though I’d guess they’d want more modern armaments, second seaters WSO, better range etc… basically a MiG31. which I would say has the capability to keep our neighbours Typhoons / F35s and other types at bay far better than most other types.
I’d personally love it. Though I know its unrealistic 🙁
There are more – 999th AFB in Kyrgyzstan, at least one VVS contigent at Ayni in Tajikistan, bunch of AF personnel in Kazakhstan at Balkash etc. 🙂
But all of these are “close to home”, ie. CIS/former USSR territory. The same goes for all those small army contigents/bases within the CIS but outside Russia proper, in say Moldova etc. So they’re not comparable to having contigents as far away as Vietnam, Syria, Libya etc, and of course not at all comparable to what the US is doing all over the globe.
In the past the soviets had a small section of Umm qasr naval base (as part of the treaty of friendship 1970-1990), I wonder if we’ll see a revival of a similar deal with Iraq nowadays? I am sure the Iraqis would be happy to have a Russian naval contingent around (even a small symbolic one).
[ironically, no-one has mentioned the by far most effective US system versus the Foxbat… which is of course the F-14/AIM-54C combination.]
actually I mentioned “new PHOENIX” 😉
agreed 100% Aurel!
Respectfully, I think your dreaming…….
I think a dream would involve some MiG31EQ with R37s in Iraqi service! 😀
He was in power when Iraq purchased the current mixed fleet of Mirage F-1’s, Mig-21’s, Mig-29’s, etc. etc. etc.:rolleyes:
Mirages and MiG21s purchased BEFORE saddam came to power. true on MiG29 / SU24 / SU25.
In the 1980s they bought french and soviet and chinese jets and negotiating for more french/british/soviet origin jets.
In the 1970s they bought french and russian aircraft (and were negotiating to buy british jaguars)
Hunters and jet provosts and venoms purchased from the UK in 1950s and 1960s and F86 from the US.. at the same time Iraqis were buying Il28, MiG17, MiG19, MiG21 from soviets.
In the 1930s Iraqis were buying fighters and bombers from the UK, USA and Italy!
The only period in time when the Iraqi armed forces operated weapons from a single main supplier was 1921-1936 (UK).
Sorry, your not selling me on a mixed fleet. As least not on the scale proposed…….
Its not being sold to you. The US produces its own aircraft with 100% indigenous parts with 100% US companies. It doesn’t need dual supply because LM/Boeing are not going to embargo the US! Of course whilst the US has a good supply chain and training cycle (economies of scale), in reality smaller operators get advantage of that (FMS) whilst still keeping a “competitive edge” since they’re in the market to bargain from other suppliers too (no “monopoly” situation). The fear of being “cut off” is what makes these countries buy from multiple sources. An issue that, understandably, would not bother you too much. Their operating expenses are still kept in check as long as the fleet size reaches a “magic number” (about one “fighter wing” in Iraq’s case 36 aircraft) at which it becomes economical to have the tooling and specialists and ammo /parts quantities to keep the fleet in good order.
Who says Westerns Countries are unwilling to sell to Iraq??? If, the US sell’s to the Iraq. It would be a green light for a number of Western Countries to follow. With France being a good example……….
I am talking about reality. They would sell Iraq some helicopters, or patrol boats or APCs. But they won’t sell them ASTER30 or Rafale or Typhoon T3… or METEOR. That’s the difference 😉
That was during Saddam reign………..Which, is not to say they won’t have a mixed fleet are they’re already stuck with one. Yet, I would bet they start to cut down on types and limited the number of suppliers too! Think more like the Saudi’s and not like Iraq of the 1980-90’s.
Saddam reign 1979-2003.
Iraqi dual supply policy 1937-2013.
It has nothing to do with saddam. this is what started it http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1936_Iraqi_coup_d%27%C3%A9tat
Su-35 will be up to the task of denying Iraq airspace until 6th gen fighters with DEW is introduced 2040
yeaa.
My bet is on MiG35 for the interim, followed in a few years by SU35s. Seems the most “logical” solution. a final fleet of :
36x F16IQ (strike aircraft) – 2 squadrons home base out of Balad
48x MiG35 (fighter interceptor) – 3 squadrons home base out of Qayarah
36x SU35 (high end fighter) – 2 squadrons home base out of Habaniya
they could have detachments of 4 of each flying out of Nassiriya, Basra, Mosul, Kirkuk, Qadisiya, BIAP.
I’d add that the Iraqis would want something like a modernised SU25 for ground attack. Sadly no one is making these anymore ….
So could several other Western Types. Which, are likely cheaper and more reliable than the Su-35. Plus, they would share a number of Weapons with the current F-16 Fleet already operated by Iraq.
Westerners are unwilling to sell to Iraq. So this is a moot point. Perhaps once Iraq operates some advanced Russian fighters, the europeans/americans will “mellow up” and sell modern ordnance to Iraq. This has been discussed on the other thread already.