a bad pic from iraqi tv… the A330 in gatwick. marks the historic resumption of direct flights between London and Baghdad after nearly 23 years.

Iraq may vote tomorow to pass the 2013 budget. they are on a knife edge with votes.
the offers I have seen said Mirage F-1 MF2000 18 airframes 1 billion dollars F-16 3 billion dollars for 18 airframes and yes the F-16’s are new but but they are not the same price they are 3 times the price 🙂
18 F16s were $1.1Bn including radars, some armaments and ground support equipment (excluding training and maintenance contract). all in including maintenance, training, sniper pods, recon pods, simulators etc… its about $1.4Bn for the first 18 planes.
http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/iraq-seeks-f-16-fighters-05057/
Interesting, thanks.
I take it from what you say that the Mirage F1 offered high rates of availability?
It’s the sort of impression you get from this aircraft.
yes. very high operational readiness and fast turnarounds between sorties. but they run out of “flight hours” very quickly in Iraq… and there were always a large number of out of operation aircraft back in france being overhauled.
the french did offer the MF2000 version. but they were the same price as brand new F16IQ… so the Iraqis declined.
Not to sure what the sortie totals were like, which is why I’m asking.
It would be interesting to know.
number of combat sorties was in the 40k + range. we are talking about 7 years of combat with 3 squadron’s worth of aircraft on average (starting with 1 squadron in 1981 and ending with 4 operational squadrons by 1988). On some days (intensive days) mirages would fly upto 150 sorties in one day, on “normal” days there would be maybe 20 flights including CAP, maritime patrol and land attack / recon flights. their use was intensive from day 1 right until the end of the war, and many were overhauled in france already just after 4 years in service since they reach their overhaul times very quickly. there are dozens of pilots with 1000+ combat hours clocked up on the mirages.
overall the IrAF flew 45k combat sorties in 1986 as an example (all types excluding helicopters of army aviation). the Mirages were about 15% – 20% of these missions.
Iraqi Airways will begin flights from the 5th of March to London Gatwick from Baghdad and Sulaymania.
Flight Schedule
Day Time Dep Time Arrv Flight no.
Tue/Fri 22:00 LGW 06:30 BGW IA 238
Tue/Thur 13:00 BGW 20:00 LGW IA 237
Thur 22:00 LGW 06:30 ISU IA 240
Fri 13:00 ISU 20:00 LGW IA 239
that was the initial report… maybe they were late or changed to a different time.
well the Iraqis turned down a french offer for some of them last year, and they even didn’t want their planes which were in france since 1990… and probably no one flew as many combat missions with the type as the iraqis. Iraqis rated the MiG23ML better as a fighter/interceptor. and in fact by 1990 only one squadron of mirages was used as a pure fighter… all other squadrons were in attack/recon role.
I disagree… Saddam was terrified from STARTING the war himself… he was hoping to bluff his way out of it, or at least withdraw whilst “saving face” in front of his “audience” (the arab masses mostly). The 6 weeks war was enough for him to withdraw saying “Iraq was completely destroyed economically and militarily”… which it was, all so he can save face.
If he had “started” an attack on the US he presumed it would have ended with nukes over every Iraqi city (the war coincided with the end of the Soviet-Iraqi treaty of friendship). That was the reaction that he expected (and not a few of the Iraqi General Staff too)… he was not about to embark upon a new “pearl harbour”!!! 😀 I mean using the example of Israel 1967 is a non-starter isn’t it… as they were attacking non-nuclear countries! I wonder if Israel would ever try that sort of trick against the US? Thought not…
I think a more interesting “what if” scenario would involve a coallition of all the countries EXCEPT the US vs Iraq in 1991.
Jesus that’s expensive.
I’d bet if the US cleared the sale of AMRAAMs to Iraq or Egypt they’d pounce on it.
looks like helos and air defences will start delivery this summer.
http://english.ruvr.ru/2013_03_04/Russia-to-start-arms-supplies-to-Iraq-before-summer-Zebari/
gripen is good for countries that aren’t surrounded by powerful enemies but still want the “prestige” and “reserve power” of operating a modern fast jet basically. hence the popularity in places like Hungary / Czech / South Africa… and maybe in future other smaller NATO members / East European states.
IMHO it would be a good plane for a country like Bangladesh or Nigeria or latin american states. But in “hot zones” of the middle east, northeast asia etc… its of little utility vs large more established forces.
“Best” is a judgemental thing…
in terms of raw performance / technology the B58.
But the Blinder’s the only one that saw lots of combat, and stayed in widespread service for longer… and was thus the most “useful” 😀
of course they could have done better in hindsight… but all they could have achieved ultimately is some tactical successes and lengthening the war by a few days to a week at most (shoot down a few more allied fighters and maybe some small scale “suicide air raids” into saudi arabia / gulf waters with limited impact)… it would have been completely irrelevant in the grand scheme of things. whether they were “israeli” or “iraqi” would not have mattered much.