What we have seen in this tread is:
-Mig-25PDS shot by F5 machine gun.
-Mig-25RB shot down near the Khark Island (over the Gulf) by F14.
-Mig-25RB Shot down by F14 with Pilot Khazai as POW.
-Mig-25RB Shot down by Hq1 in Isfahan (Lt “Al-Bayaani”).
-Mig-25PDS lost while landing (as stated by a89)
-Mig-25PDS lost while taking off (as stated by a89)Apparently, Iran claims to have shot down some 13 Mig-25s during the war (not dozens).
They claim the Soviets kept replacing the lost ones and the damaged squadrons got rebuilt during 8 years of war. We all know IRAQ had more fighter jets in the end. How else would Iraq’s Air Force grow in inventory despite the losses?
Question is: Did the Soviets provide more Mig-25 in addition to initial delivery?
the numbers shown are for total aircraft delivered INCLUDING additional airframes delivered during the war. Initial deliveries were 12 airframes only, and an additional 10 were delivered later on… of these 19 survived until 1990, and two were written off in accidents… you do the math.
my father in law was a doctor in H3 during the entire war. The air base was a combat training and maintenance base far away from the war and it was not used by active combat aircraft during the war. the small iranian attack on the airbase from the beginning of the war came from Syria and it didn’t do any appreciable damage. It was in fact part of the broader political fallout between Iraq and Syria at the time rather than the “daring mission against the enemy rear”… especially since Iraq had mainly a few MiG21s / MiG17s there for dissimilar training etc… hardly a top target when Shuaiba AB right next to the Iranian border hosted combat squadrons flying non-stop against Iran for the entire war period.
According to Iraqis all the MiG25s (and other aircraft) flying operational missions were all flown by Iraqis. The only foreign pilots (mainly Indian, Jordanian and French) were based out of either Tikrit or one of the OCU bases far away from the front lines during the war and used as instructors only. Maybe there was some “top secret” soviet combat mission in Iraq as Tom Cooper and co claim… but absolutely no evidence for it has ever emerged, and it seems the only reason the Iranians make these claims up is in order to “prove” their kill claims…
actually. scratch that. this is supposed to be the “full” new livery for the larger planes. still not as good as the old one…

but at the same time IA are distributing these die cast models of their upcoming batch of 738s… which shows the traditional IA livery.
its difficult to know… the CRJ900s have been given a new livery recently

but none of the airbus / Boeing’s use this livery as of now. just white with logo on tail and “iraqi airways” stenciled on the side in the same old font of yesteryear.
Has the TIDLS been offered for integration on other fighters?
the “budget” for 2013 has not even been approved yet… so yes the figures are VERY ambitious. but that is what the defence ministry asked for and the government want to pass… but the opposition is resisting it furiously wanting the money spent on paying for “illegal” foreign oil contracts (kurds) and extra social security for sunni provinces (iyad allawi’s party)… But if one looks at Iraq’s planned budgets over the next 5 years, You can see massive economic leaps are happening primarily to increases in oil production (other variable are also there including increased religious tourism, construction, industry and farming increases) – so the GDP (about $200Bn today) will double to about $400Bn by 2016… meaning there should be plenty of money available to pay for the defences, if the political will is there.
Sorry, just to nitpick.
The DSCA announcement is an official notice of negotiations and not a conclusion of contracts… In fact the final contract aircraft mix and even specifications is subject to change and will only be known once FMS contracts are awarded by the USN presumably? – Some DSCA notifications never get to final contract at all (buyer pulls out after enquiry etc…).
I am guessing the choice of having so many growlers is to complement the F35s in future?
MSphere… my brother’s business (medical instruments for opthalmics) is in the same boat as you… his company used to “offshore” production to china, but they would build knockoffs and sell it to third party “rebadgers”… now he is onshoring the production to the UK to avoid this… this has been happening a lot lately, starving the more unscrupulous operators in china from product design expertise… also the rise in yuan / inflation as well as european deflation has tipped the competitive balance especially for the higher end of the product grades. but I digress!! the inflation in china has clearly affected their military industries too (even more so than the more competitive commercial sector) resulting in major price increases… I remember once on another forum we did some comparison in weapons that Iraq is buying and cheapest came out to be Ukrainian/Serbian, followed by US products, then Russian, then korean, and most expensive being “western european”. I think the only way that chinese weapons can appear competitive is if the “R&D cost” is not amortised over the production batches and there are no interest bearing loans on any OPEX/CAPEX for the producing company etc…
“flyaway” cost of Iraq’s first 18 F16IQ were $47M each… so the J10s would not be particularly competitive. Iraq is looking at chinese air defence systems and radars though.
the new “livery” is horrible 🙁 sad that they let the classic one go.
anyway. resumption of flights between london gatwick and baghdad and sulaymania from the 5th of march.
Iraqi Airways will begin flights from the 5th of March to London Gatwick from Baghdad and Sulaymania.
Flight Schedule
Day Time Dep Time Arrv Flight no.
Tue/Fri 22:00 LGW 06:30 BGW IA 238
Tue/Thur 13:00 BGW 20:00 LGW IA 237
Thur 22:00 LGW 06:30 ISU IA 240
Fri 13:00 ISU 20:00 LGW IA 239
presumably they will use either the B777 or the A330 for these flights.
MIG-29K won against Su-33 despite MIG-29K being multi role and longer airframe/engine life. when you impart those capabilities into Su-33. its weight will increase further and performance will degrade.
Now MIG-29M is lighter version of MIG-29K. It will have same advantages over Su-30. it is more suitable for airdefence. and AESA is extensively tested. and it does not need two pilots. Iraq is already dont have that much pilots. Although fuel costs dont matter that much but lighter fighter is going to save alot over long term.
but AFAIK only MiG35 comes with AESA… AND the Zhuk-ME + OLS of MiG29M is inferior to the APG68v9 + Sniper of the F16IQ AFAIK. If only the russians could fit R77s or the europeans fit METEOR to Iraq’s F16IQ… 🙁
that was last years budget…
2013 budget total is $117Bn, of which “security” is about $19Bn EXCLUDING $5Bn budget for the “acquisition” for the armed forces ($24Bn total).
Spread over a 5 year acquisition cycle (with 20% year on year increases, not guaranteed of course…) Iraq has ROUGHLY the following budget available for CAPITAL EXPENDITURE on imported defence articles:
-2013 – $5Bn
-2014 – $6Bn
-2015 – $7Bn
-2016 – $8.5Bn
-2017 – $10Bn
= $36.5Bn over 5 years.
Iraq has paid the second installment for F16s (second batch) of $1.5Bn already last year and production orders have been run through as a result from LOCKMART to subcontractors (see FMS orders). So all 36 aircraft are paid for now and confirmed.
The L159BQ for Iraq are new built and upgraded L159Bs… not second hand aircraft (except the 4 L159T which are donated)… anyway this has not even been “signed” yet!
for the army the Iraqis are planning on getting mostly “EDA” stuff from the US, artillery, APCs, tanks… freeing up most of their capital budget for the air force and air defence command. if the MOD get the budget they’ve requested (a big IF of course!) then they can certainly build a complete airshow of planes… they are “selling” the idea to the government as a means of appeasing the big powers.
however if the government collapses in the next few weeks all bets are off 😀
it has nothing to do with “fighting”… all to do with buying friends. Iraqis have paid for 36 F16s but sent only a dozen pilots to the US to train… they couldn’t care less about “fighting” prowess. its about appeasing the big boys and having political leverage in the region to not be bullied by the neighbours, and have a “nominal” capability to defend themselves. nothing more really.
the air force plans on having several squadrons of fighters / attack planes.
2 will be F16
1-2 will be L159BQ (dual role trainer /CO-IN)
perhaps the others are:
2 squadrons MiG29M
1 squadron SU30MK2
1 Squadron eurofighter/rafale
1 squadron chinese/korean type (for they have been discussing this, and south korea is the biggest investor in iraqi infrastructure / industry now so the koreans expect reciprocation…)T50/A-50 has been on the drawing board for a while).
Nothing ever mentioned about chinese weapons, except for the commander of the air defence command… but chinese are huge in the Iraqi oil industry and also expect some Iraqi back scratching in the future perhaps?
😀