sheytanelkebiranother F16 is complete…
http://iraqimilitary.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=314&start=840
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sheytanelkebirhttp://edition.cnn.com/2015/06/18/middleeast/iraq-us-soldiers-graduate-wedeman/index.html
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So where does it imply, insinuate or state in any way Iraq’s ability or inability to purchase bullets for AK-47s as you eloquently stated for “fact”?
You do realise that in addition to Iraq’s annual state budget it has a cash reserve of $78Bn? right? google that. go to this page and see all the stuff being built in the country that can’t afford bullets for AK-47s. http://www.skyscrapercity.com/forumdisplay.php?f=2427
so run along now and troll another thread.
sheytanelkebirJust with the MiG-35 and RVV-BD been integrated.
I believe that the rumour started because of this bit of advertising that was shown at one of the MAKS airshows.
I agree with most here that the RVV-BD doesn’t really suit the MiG-35’s role and wont do much good if they can’t get enough power out of the AESA radar.
Then again, Russian love to integrate all types of weapons on their aircraft. Probably to increase their export potential and to be able to preform roles in extreme circumstances when other aircraft aren’t available. So I wouldn’t put it pass them.
As I read on russiadefence the apu / generator in mig29m/mig35 can’t power the aesa modules at full power.. And I am guessing they would need to maybe add lithium polymer or supercapacitor to allow short power boost for the radar to temporarily pirate at full.power? Increasing the size of the main generator apu would be a bigger task I guess…
sheytanelkebirsorry don’t have time to sort out through all your crazy claims, you know what you said. Iraq’s economy isn’t going anywhere. in fact Iraq is only a country in name. worry about that first before you continue expanding that wish list of weapons, most of which will never come.
What crazy claims are you on about? The only craziness is your claim that we can’t afford bullets for rifles. Still waiting for your googling on that fact. 😉
sheytanelkebirIraq’s economy contracted 2.1% in 2014 and is expected to not even reach single digit growth this year. Had to beg IMF for money
How’s that plan to surpass Oman or Qatar or whatever’s economy lol.. let alone pay for fantasy fifth gen jets or heavily updated fourth gen with aesa?
Who on earth mentioned surpassing Qatar on a per capita basis? Show me. You spoke of iraq not having money for rifle bullets. Do us your Google magic…. And show us.
As for aesa radar on the t50… No one knows what radar comes on it.
sheytanelkebirWhile some people here are fantasizing about MiG 35’s with R-33/37 missiles and I’ll eat my hat if that ever happens (I have one made of liquorice for just such an occasion). What Iraq needs at the moment and will continue to need in the foreseeable future is, and in the following order: Attack helicopters and gunships, a proper airlift capacity, big nasty bomb trucks with a self defence suite capable of fending off a MANAPD or tactical SAM that ISIS might capture from Assad’s thugs and UCAVs. Fighters are a distant fifth priority and when it comes to fighters they’d be perfectly served with bog standard MiG-35s or F-16s but I’d still trust the Americans to sell them better aircraft and train the Iraqis better than the Russians ever will. Iraq is not going to war with Saudi Arabia, Jordan poses no threat, Iran has special forces helping them out and is flying air strikes in Iraq, Syria is in no fit state to invade them and they are in no fit state to invade Syria. Assuming they aren’t dumb enough to p**s off the Israelis, that leaves who? The Kurds which (1) the US/EU will never let them attack (2) even if they do attack the Kurds they will never be able to take on the Peshmerga with state the Iraqi ground forces are in at the moment (3) if they ever get their ground forces trained up to the point that they can take on the Peshmerga they won’t need MiG35s, F-16s or Rafales for that fight, just Attack helicopters & gunships, transports, big nasty bomb trucks and UCAVs.
Iraq already is buying all those things.
But we do need fighters and sams for self defence against Saudi Arabia so you cannot in two words dismiss that threat against iraq.
Sunni Arab politicians in the iraqi parliament have been openly calling for Saudi Arabia to “save the honourable Sunnis from the iranian invasion”… As they see the current situation. The majority of iraqs native populace is regarded simply as “iranian occupiers” and the propaganda war and the suicide bombing attack justifications fit within that narrative of fighting against foreign occupation (the foreigners being the majority of iraqs native populace, and the “resisters” being Somali/Tunisian/Saudi/Pakistan/chechen suicide bombers!) yes that is the narrative being propagated day and night on hundreds of Arab TV stations and social media.
Saudi is under pressure internally to “aid” the sunni Arab populace which is being attacked and invaded by the “shia iranian invaders”… They have flown into iraqi airspace at least once already. if the “tribal revolutionaries ” lose more and more cities and the isis / tribal revolutionary population follows it’s defeated “warriors of jihad” into Syria/kurdistan/turkey/Jordan what would the pressure on the gcc /Kingdom be like to “intervene to save the honourable Sunnis from extinction “? And not to mention stop the “advance of Iran to Saudis border ” (as they refer to southern Iraqis).
Atheel nujaifi, former mayor of ninawa and brother of the iraqi vice president Osama nujaifi said that all they want is for Saudi Arabia to take the oilfields in basra as the “sunni Arabs rightful oil under the shias lands ” and then declare the independence of the sunni Arab state! Yes indeed. The top sunni Arabs inside iraqs government are openly saying these things for years now…. An attack by Saudi Arabia on iraq is a very real and imminent threat. They have a formidable air force and for iraq to be able to deter them will need a capability that they have not invested in sadly….
The problem is… If the Iraqis have not bought the mig29m already 2-3 years ago they will not have enough time to induct them into service to be of any use in deterring the Saudis. Thus the only short term solution is to buy 2-3 S300 units from Russia and have some Russian assistants “advising ” in their deployment. Deployed in nassiriya Najaf and Baghdad they would cover most iraqi space to the west and South.
sheytanelkebirWill they even be able to afford MiG-29M2s given the need to replace all of the MBTs and ground vehicles lost?
They’ve lost less than 40 MBTs in the last 2 years of which less than 20 were Abrams. Other losses were mainly HUMVEES (which were free and ready for replacement) and some M113s ((which were free and ready for replacement anyway) and pickups. They also lost one battery of heavy artillery (which were also free, and replaced at rather low cost).
As much as some want to blame the US for dragging its feet on F-16 delivery the Iraqis haven’t exactly taken advantage of everything offered to them, such as the AH-64E deal when it finally got through all of Washington’s bureaucracy.
Ah-64E went into competition with Mi28Ne and LOST.
AT-6C went into competition with SU-25 and LOST.
AVENGER went into competition with PANTSIR-S1 and LOST
BLACKHAWK went into competition with Mi-171Sh and LOST
HAWK-XXI went into competition with “something russian” and LOST
Unarmed export Predator Drone went into competition with CH-4B and LOST
An-TPS-117 Radar lost against Russian radar after the first 2 units supplied.
M1A1 Abrams tanks… 146 sold “during occupation” – subsequently the following 2 offers:
175x During 2012 – LOST
175x During 2014 – LOST
M2A2 Bradley IFV LOST COMPETITION against “we don’t know what” .
C130J-30… was supposed to be for 9 aircraft.
6x Bought during occupation
3x Further units “not exercised”… Iraqis did show interest in Il76 upgrade which they deemed superior in every way… but so far no orders.
Iraq had an “initial requirement” for 90x F16s to be bought in batches of 18 units.
Batch 1x bought without competition during US occupation (2010).
Batch 2x Bought without competition during US occupation (2011).
What about the “remaining 3 batches” ? Iraqi policy changed after the US withdrawal and they made selection competitive…
In fact they didn’t even bother reaching “DSCA reporting stage” the US prices for “service and support were so ludicrous from the first 2 batches!
Batch 3x F16 (2012) “lost” – we don’t know what it lost against.
Batch 4x F16 (2013) “lost” – we don;t know what it lost against.
Batch 5x F16 (not yet started – but unlikely to win – it seems that the F16-IQ has reached its “dead end” Iraqis will have to swallow the junk uncle sam lumbered them with during the occupation and cut their losses with simply not exercising the follow up orders)
Now surely the Iraqis are happy to accept any EDA stuff from the US… But simply the offers of weapons from the US are just unpalatable mostly. The Iraqis seem very happy with the King Air recon planes and they did buy more of those even after US withdrawal… also they liked the Hellfire armed Cessna Caravans and they kept paying the huge “service” fees as well as the inflated prices of thousands of hellfires because they do desperately need those. They of course agreed to take some EDA MRAPs… but when they spend their own money they bought Russian MRAPs (which are locally assembled now in Taji).
sheytanelkebirHaider Abadi (the Iraqi PM) during his official visit to Moscow held a conference with some of the Iraqi Air Force and Army Aviation trainees who are in Russian Colleges.
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Some of course would be pilots for Mi28Ne and Mi35M… but since most of the pilots for those types are already qualified and back in Iraq (since they’ve been training for 2 years already in Russia), I wonder what these pilots are training on? could be for more Helos… or something else.
sheytanelkebirits quite easy to tell the difference
90% of what you say is “what if” or “i wish” scenarios
10% of the other stuff is information anyone can google about Iraq, but too lazy to.
how do you expect to buy new aircraft when you can’t even afford bullets for your soldiers in Ramadi? lol
so get googling then and tell everyone here why Iraq can’t afford to pay for AK-47 bullets let alone fighter jets (as you so eminently stated as a “fact”, unlike my wild fantastic speculation).
sheytanelkebirSaudi have maintained a high intensity strike campaign against Yemen so yes they could squash Iraq like a bug if it so wished.
It is a meaningless statistic that rather puts paid to the idea the F-16 is useless.
Fedaykin. You really do need to reread our replies.
sheytanelkebirIraq controls every millimetre of its territory? :confused: Since when?
Iraq is three separate countries remember. 😉 sumer is certainly in control of all its homelands plus about 50% of the isis territory… Not too bad going really. Re read what I wrote. Every time you read about Iraq internalise the three separate states within it to make things that sound weird or bizarre, clear.
The idea of thinking of iraq as a unitary stage died already in 1970 when kurdistan got autonomy and additional lands for seccession. I am shocked that you still think of it as one state in 2015!
sheytanelkebirwho said I was downgrading?
instead I’m just pulling out one of your many examples of so called inside knowledge (or inside BS) about Iraq..and the list continues:Iraq considering pakfa or f35
Iraq possibly adding ej200 or f414 and aesa to golden eagles
Iraq GDP to surpass Oman
Iraq to get Mig-35s
etc and etcnaturally if you keep it up and say Iraq will get every other Russian, US, European aircraft.. you’re going to eventually get one right 😉
until then, don’t keep your hopes up..
Iraq is barely a country to begin with.. let alone a military.
how do you expect to buy new aircraft when you can’t even afford bullets for your soldiers in Ramadi? lol
You are simply incapable of comprehending the difference between actual information and “what if” scenario discussion for the future. The fact that everyone else on the forum can seem to understand the difference is telling.
sheytanelkebirI see. You pick on the minor issue & ignore the big one.
Your country has suffered a catastrophe, & it is still going on, with no end in sight. Instead of suggesting how Iraq might save itself, you complain about others not saving you, & call for your government to concentrate on arming itself against states which are not occupying a single square kilometre of Iraqi land, instead of the ghastly enemy which controls a large part of your country & is trying to take more.
I did not ignore a big issue. You’re ignoring it. We haven’t lost a single inch of our land. We hold all our land safe and secure and never at any point ceded a single milimeter of it.
On the other hand the isis can’t seem to hold all their lands and we have forcefully taken over 50% of their territory from them and their population fraction as a percentage of the total population in “iraq excluding krg” has fallen by over 50%… Mostly due to migration to kurdistan and Turkey and beyond… That means the absolute catastrophic shrinkage of pro-isis populace within the borders of the Republic of iraq. Their population has fallen of a cliff which is a positive long term result for Iraq’s internal security .. Not so positive for the countries that will take in these deranged islamist fruitcakes though.. think it through.
sheytanelkebirSheyatan you must get so irritated at foreign experts telling you what’s happening in your country and what is good enough for you. Keep posting good info!
http://www.tank-net.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=38977&page=30
A golden example of one of the more annoying self proclaimed experten on the web commenting on the Iraqi Army’s performance (Damien).
Oh lord. Can he give us an example of one such person? In fact the idiots from the us rule era are still in the iraqi mod mostly (except the ones who were assassinated by the popular mobilisation as moles) and they are there because you need a certain number of kurdish and sunni commanders and soldiers for “balance” even if that person is disloyal or actively sabotages. They are immune to prosecution due to the “apportioning system” in place. Now that by itself is not s problem. The problem.is that Iraq is not a single state but actually three mutually exclusive states that are trying to constantly fight and undermine the other states they “share” a country with. I repeated this here many times already and Damien should know better from the old mp.net days where this was explained to him clearly.
Using such logic the jna were incompetents because the Slovenian and croatian soldiers deserted or switched against the “serbian rump” of the jna in 1991? It showed that the jna simply ran away and were untrained cowards!? ludicrous right? But imagine a world where there were not many people who actually knew what’s going on speaking about the topic in English… You could build any narrative you wanted and spread it… And since no one contradicts it with an argument and reasoning… It passes for “fact ” and in fact “general knowledge ” like Water at room temperature is liquid.
sheytanelkebirAgainst isis the best weapons are a combination of heavy attack helos and cheap Chinese ucav with the gps guided bombs that the Iraqis recently inducted. You get a lot more loiter time a much smaller cost per flight hour than an F16 without exposing crews.
They do have occasional isis strongholds etc.. Which are best deals with by upgraded su25 types.
But as we saw in Yemen. When the Saudis get desperate they are perfectly willing to actively become the isis / al qaeda air force as they have done in Yemen. And we cannot preclude more and more serious incursions by Saudi into Iraq.
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