No Highway
I saw the film ‘No Highway in the Sky’ a couple of times. It was made around 1950 before I became resident at the RAE in ’53 and I believe it was released as ‘No Highway’ in UK and ‘No Highway in the Sky’ elsewhere. Presumably the Hollywood moguls thought that the short title was too subtle for anyone but a Brit!
Interesting piece of info: the arched sign reading Royal Aircraft Establishment over the main gate at RAE was installed by the film makers and was still there many years later.
The plane was similar to the Tudor up front but with a very different and un-aerodynamic rear fuselage. The supposed failure was due to fuselage fatigue, which was a relatively new subject at the time NS wrote it. The fictional tail area fatigue was very different from the pressurisation fatigue suffered by the Comet.
Jules in the flesh
I was following this thread from a general interest point of view when I looked at one of Jules’ replies and realized that he can’t live too far from me.
I sent him an e-mail and he phoned me the next morning. Turns out we live about 2 miles from each other! This morning, (Sunday), we sat down for a couple of cups of coffee together and I can certify that Jules is in relatively fine shape – he has his eye surgery coming up and he did something to a thigh muscle recently, but apart from that he gives every appearance of being healthy. His skills as a raconteur are certainly unaffected – he kept me entertained for a couple of hours and we will certainly be getting together again in the future.
Hello again, Newforest.
Westland Engineering certainly was a division of the aircraft company and had a variety of products. However, the garage door was the most successful and ultimately the company was re-organised as Garador.
Getting back to the original theme of this thread, Gloster Saro designed and manufactured hydraulic valves among other things (principal other thing being what I believe were the original aluminium petrol tankers with something other than cylindrical section.) I was a user of mechanically operated servo valves made by Gloster Saro in the mid sixties.
jeepman raised the subject of parts on the airfield at Yeovil.
I’m going to suggest that there may well be parts there but they probably somewhat predate the Whirlwind. Around 1940, presumably to accommodate Whirlwind take off runs, the airfield was extended westwards by about a quarter of a mile. This was accomplished by filling in Watercombe Lane from a point about 200 yds east of Preston Road almost all the way to the GWR railway. The Watercombe Lane bridge over the railway was left in place and a new road was built around the southern and western perimeters of the new area of the airfield. Although I was a small boy at the time, I am sure that I remember aircraft pieces sticking out of the fill at the northern end. The fill was left bare at the time and gradually became overgrown.
There are certainly other Yeovil experts on the Forum – I recall someone quoting the number of the house on Seaton Road which was taken out by a crashing Wyvern. Anybody else have any ideas on the above?
If anybody thinks this is off thread, I apologise. Incidentally, the Whirlwind is one of my favourite aircraft, too.
Bloodhound/Thunderbird
A well presented piece of research but with a bit of a mis-statement at the start. There was no such thing as a Bristol Thunderbird. T-bird was a product of the Guided Weapons Division of English Electric Aviation and while it was indeed more conventional with its cruciform wing layout, it certainly was not closely related to Bloodhound. Apart from the obvious differences in power and control, there was great competitive animosity between the two teams. (I should know; I was an aerodynamicist on the EE side based at Luton and then at the GW wind tunnel at Warton.)
My first airshow was Farnborough 1952 on the Saturday when the DH110 piloted by John Derry broke up. By the following year’s SBAC show I was a student apprentice at Farnborough and life became like one 5 year long airshow.
l.garey:
You mention walking past ETPS. If you entered the Establishment through the gate adjacent to ETPS, continued straight ahead down the hill to the Comet test tank, turned left to the area of the main maintenance hangar (C Shed? Memory problems!) you probably came across the Avenger. There were two of which one was operational (barely) so I assume that lauriebe’s info is correct.
T21 and Newforest:
Thanks for acknowledging my post. Although I’m an avid reader of the forum I generally refrain from replying because most people seem to have much more detailed information than I could ever provide. I’m surprised that no-one else has weighed in on this subject – there were certainly plenty of passengers.
However, my early life was closely associated with the aircraft industry starting with growing up overlooking the Westland airfield at Yeovil (Lysander, Whirlwind and Wyvern) continuing through Farnborough (Wescott as noted, the Comet test tank and the Black Knight rocket), English Electric Aviation (wind tunnel at Warton) and finally back to Yeovil with Westland subsidiary Normalair. I had, at this point, been driven out of the industry by Harold Wilson and went off into the marine field. (The end of TSR2 was the end for me as well.)
I have a number of ideas and questions arising from my experiences so perhaps I’ll generate a couple of threads myself. (e.g. I was at the Farnborough Air Show in 1952 when the DH110 crash happened – any interest in an eyewitness account?)
To describe the service as an air taxi service is a bit of an exaggeration.
It ran most working days, weather permitting, and served as the inter establishment mail service, providing a number of seats at the same time.
I can only remember the use of Ansons (I think there were two that were more or less dedicated for the run) and one of the more interesting aspects of the flights was that the pilots were drawn on a rotating basis from the rather elite corps of Farnborough test pilots. Because this bunch included a number of unique individuals, a number of hair raising escapades were concocted to enliven the otherwise boring flights (such as taking off down wind at Wescott to confound the one and only fire truck which was parked at the upwind end of the runway!) One doesn’t normally associate this sort of thing with flying in Ansons!
I was a Student Apprentice at Farnborough (53-58) and one of my training postings was at Wescott for 3 months in 1957. I had digs in Aylesbury and rode my bicycle out to Wescott each day along the A41. As an S.A. I was supposed to get as much flying time as possible just for the experience value so I was often able to get on the ‘air taxi’ when a spare seat became available (often up front).
As a side comment to Newforest’s posting, this was long before BAE Systems came into existance – it was strictly an MOD operation. Also the fuels in use at that time were mainly Kerosene/Lox and Kerosene/HTP. I believe that the oxidisers came from commercial sources (BOC?) because I can remember the HTP tankers with large warning labels passing me on the A41.
I’ll be happy to try and resurrect some more memories of 50 years ago if anyone is interested!
Sorry, of course it’s a Victor. My fingers were misguided by an associated idea running through my head at that time!
Dunno – the wartime Dinger would have had to be very young to be the same person.
Peter
The Farnborough shots are very interesting for me – I was a Student Apprentice at RAE 53-58 – and the Valiant photo particularly since I think I have ridden in the car next to the plane. It was a Riley belonging to ‘Dinger’ Bell, an RAE Test Pilot, and I presume he must be in the surrounding throng. My apologies for somewhat late reply, but I am a newcomer to the group.
Peter