xanaduIAF News & Discussion March 2006
All that IAF stuff in here.
xanaduAs for INF: that was the biggest USSR’s mistake to sign this treaty! Soviets simply agreed to ban their own medium range nukes for nothing! They had to destroy 114 SS-4, 414 SS-20, 150 SS-12/22, 172 SS-23 and 80 SS-C-4 launchers. That was approximately 1758 INF warheads on 730 mobile launchers (without additional refireable missiles!) sold for 108 Pershing II and 464 GLCM launchers equals 572 US warheads! As we can see this stupid Gorbie was hoodwinked by Reagan on at least THREE-TO-ONE unequal exchange! Additionally INF treaty didn’t ban American SLCMs and ALCMs in which US had a huge advantage over USSR and which could successfully replace Pershings and GLCMs! Moreover Pershings short flight time was countered by Soviet SS-12 deployment in GDR and Czechoslovakia so Pershings weren’t an ideal first strike strategic weapon as Reagan cheated Gorbie. Pershing II was able to reach targets in USSR in about seven minutes but SS-12 could reach Pershing’s bases in about three minutes in the preemptive strike!
Generally INF treaty was a point when first time USSR showed its weakness and US recognized it as a possibility to fool Soviets on the much wider scale!
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Gorb knew that the USSR did not have the financial muscle to support a huge number of nukes. He tried to get the best deal possible. Now with Start II all but dead it dosent make much of a difference does it.
xanaduCamels and SE’s 😀
xanaduhttp://www.outlookindia.com/pti_news.asp?id=356944
RAFALES
French company offers upgraded fighter jet
AK DHAR NEW DELHI, FEB 21 (PTI)
With the Indian Air Force close to floating international tenders for acquisition of 126 multi-role combat aircraft, French defence major Dassault Aviation has offered to sell its latest fighters Rafale.
The French offer was made by Chacks Edelstenne, CEO of Dassault Aviation, when he called on the Minister of State for Defence Rao Inderjit Singh here yesterday. The Deputy Chief of the Air Staff Air Marshal AK Nangalia was also present.
Edelstenne told PTI his company informed the Minister of Dassault’s decision not to field its upgraded Mirage 2000-5 for the Indian deal. The French Mirages were leading contenders for the Indian sale, as the IAF already has 40 Mirage-2000D aircraft in its inventory.
“We are on the verge of closing the Mirage fighter assembly line and want to offer India a quantum jump in technology in the shape of upgraded new multi-mission Rafales”, he said.
“Though India has not not floated the Request for Proposals (RFP), we have conveyed to India to supply 40 Rafale multi-mission fighters in single source deal”, the Dassault CEO, who is currently here as part of French President Jacques Chirac business entourage, said.
And in a major move, French aviation engine giant, Snecma, which is bidding for DRDO’s joint collaboration project on the Kaveri engines, has offered to mount them in two Rafale fighters. Snecma is already collaborating with public sector Hindustan Aeronautics Limited on production of aero engines powering the Advanced Light Helicopters.
Dassult’s surprise bid to pitch in its Rafale fighters for the IAF’s multi-role combat aircraft project appears significant indicating that India could opt for two types of fighters in its moves to cover the shortfall in squadron strength.
Besides, Dassault, four other companies American Boeing and Lockheed-Martin, Swedish Grippen and Russian Mig-29S are competing for the Indian sale. IAF Chief S P Tyagi has said that once the RFP was floated,other bidders were also welcome to join in.
Rafale, along with Boeings F-18 , both of which have some of the features of the fifth generation fighters are expected to be priced higher.
During a closed door meeting with accompanying French Business delegation here yesterday, President Chirac is understood to have told them that Indian market was now highly competative and French companies would have to offer latest technology if they was to make deep inroads here.
xanaduRAFALES
French company offers upgraded fighter jet
AK DHAR NEW DELHI, FEB 21 (PTI)
With the Indian Air Force close to floating international tenders for acquisition of 126 multi-role combat aircraft, French defence major Dassault Aviation has offered to sell its latest fighters Rafale.
The French offer was made by Chacks Edelstenne, CEO of Dassault Aviation, when he called on the Minister of State for Defence Rao Inderjit Singh here yesterday. The Deputy Chief of the Air Staff Air Marshal AK Nangalia was also present.
Edelstenne told PTI his company informed the Minister of Dassault’s decision not to field its upgraded Mirage 2000-5 for the Indian deal. The French Mirages were leading contenders for the Indian sale, as the IAF already has 40 Mirage-2000D aircraft in its inventory.
“We are on the verge of closing the Mirage fighter assembly line and want to offer India a quantum jump in technology in the shape of upgraded new multi-mission Rafales”, he said.
“Though India has not not floated the Request for Proposals (RFP), we have conveyed to India to supply 40 Rafale multi-mission fighters in single source deal”, the Dassault CEO, who is currently here as part of French President Jacques Chirac business entourage, said.
And in a major move, French aviation engine giant, Snecma, which is bidding for DRDO’s joint collaboration project on the Kaveri engines, has offered to mount them in two Rafale fighters. Snecma is already collaborating with public sector Hindustan Aeronautics Limited on production of aero engines powering the Advanced Light Helicopters.
Dassult’s surprise bid to pitch in its Rafale fighters for the IAF’s multi-role combat aircraft project appears significant indicating that India could opt for two types of fighters in its moves to cover the shortfall in squadron strength.
Besides, Dassault, four other companies American Boeing and Lockheed-Martin, Swedish Grippen and Russian Mig-29S are competing for the Indian sale. IAF Chief S P Tyagi has said that once the RFP was floated,other bidders were also welcome to join in.
Rafale, along with Boeings F-18 , both of which have some of the features of the fifth generation fighters are expected to be priced higher.
During a closed door meeting with accompanying French Business delegation here yesterday, President Chirac is understood to have told them that Indian market was now highly competative and French companies would have to offer latest technology if they was to make deep inroads here.
xanaduhttp://www.outlookindia.com/pti_news.asp?id=356944
French company offers upgraded fighter jet
AK DHAR NEW DELHI, FEB 21 (PTI)
With the Indian Air Force close to floating international tenders for acquisition of 126 multi-role combat aircraft, French defence major Dassault Aviation has offered to sell its latest fighters Rafale.
The French offer was made by Chacks Edelstenne, CEO of Dassault Aviation, when he called on the Minister of State for Defence Rao Inderjit Singh here yesterday. The Deputy Chief of the Air Staff Air Marshal AK Nangalia was also present.
Edelstenne told PTI his company informed the Minister of Dassault’s decision not to field its upgraded Mirage 2000-5 for the Indian deal. The French Mirages were leading contenders for the Indian sale, as the IAF already has 40 Mirage-2000D aircraft in its inventory.
“We are on the verge of closing the Mirage fighter assembly line and want to offer India a quantum jump in technology in the shape of upgraded new multi-mission Rafales”, he said.
“Though India has not not floated the Request for Proposals (RFP), we have conveyed to India to supply 40 Rafale multi-mission fighters in single source deal”, the Dassault CEO, who is currently here as part of French President Jacques Chirac business entourage, said.
And in a major move, French aviation engine giant, Snecma, which is bidding for DRDO’s joint collaboration project on the Kaveri engines, has offered to mount them in two Rafale fighters. Snecma is already collaborating with public sector Hindustan Aeronautics Limited on production of aero engines powering the Advanced Light Helicopters.
Dassult’s surprise bid to pitch in its Rafale fighters for the IAF’s multi-role combat aircraft project appears significant indicating that India could opt for two types of fighters in its moves to cover the shortfall in squadron strength.
Besides, Dassault, four other companies American Boeing and Lockheed-Martin, Swedish Grippen and Russian Mig-29S are competing for the Indian sale. IAF Chief S P Tyagi has said that once the RFP was floated,other bidders were also welcome to join in.
Rafale, along with Boeings F-18 , both of which have some of the features of the fifth generation fighters are expected to be priced higher.
During a closed door meeting with accompanying French Business delegation here yesterday, President Chirac is understood to have told them that Indian market was now highly competative and French companies would have to offer latest technology if they was to make deep inroads here.
xanaduNow what they need to do is get cracking on the radar. Decide on the ELTA AESA or the Blue Vixen till they develop their own. Probably go into co-development with ELTA. Cant keep the LCA weapons test programme waiting for a radar can you?
xanaduLets face it guys. Russia may not be the power that the USSR was. But whoever says that Russian nukes are no problem at all dosent know what he is talking about. Just remember that Russia still has enough nukes and delivery systems enough to destory the world many times over. In a nuke war Russia may not win but then no one else would either. It’s still “MAD” out there.
xanaduJoseinTX its IAF not IdAF 😡
xanaduHarry!!! Like wow man !!! Oh wow!!!!!!!!! :diablo:
xanaduBut the Barak-2 will take some some ( about 5 years ) , The IN is already scouting from Long Range SAM system and is presently evaluating two system , Which ever gets selected will be the first Long Range SAM the IN will get.
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Austin which two are they evaluating and what’s the range?
xanaduAre we going to discuss South Americian Politics in here?
xanaduhttp://bharat-rakshak.com/NEWS/newsrf.php?newsid=5486
France may offer Rafale for Mirage
Chirac Visit Contract still 3-4 years away, Paris can’t keep factories idling
SHIV AROOR
Posted online: Thursday, February 16, 2006 at 0000 hours IST
NEW DELHI, FEBRUARY 15: When French President Jacques Chirac arrives in New Delhi on February 19, he will make it a point to tell Indian authorities about the formal withdrawal of the Mirage-2000-5 fighter from the bid for 126 combat aircraft that the IAF is looking at. In its place, he will formally offer the Rafale multirole fighter.
In what has taken the IAF completely by surprise, considering it has unofficially been gunning for the Mirage, the French government has conveyed its intention to shortly pull the Mirage family of fighters off all production lines at contractor Dassault’s facilities to make way for the full-rate production of the new-generation Rafale.
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Considering it would take at least three-four years for a contract to actually be signed with India, Paris thinks it would be too expensive to keep the Mirage factories humming. The Rafale, it feels, would be a more a suitable contender: it is much more capable, though considerably costlier.
France’s plans may have been simmering since June last year when IAF chief Air Chief Marshal S P Tyagi was given the opportunity to take a spin in a Rafale C-variant twin-seater at the Paris Air Show in Le Bourget. Even Navy chief Admiral Arun Prakash flew in a Rafale-M carrier variant when he was Western Naval commander early in 2004.
The French President had made it a point to visit the HAL pavilion at the Paris Air Show last June. France’s offer, like the other countries contending for the massive deal, would include the licensed manufacture of Rafales at HAL’s facilities.
Considering the IAF’s fears about adding yet another fighter type to its already swollen inventory—the reason why it wants already operational Mirage variants—the defence delegation accompanying Chirac, led by Defence Minister Michele Alliot-Marie, will tell South Block that upgrading infrastructure for the Rafale will not be an expensive proposition since it takes much from the Mirage family itself.
The decision to disengage the Mirage-2000-5 from participation in the IAF’s upcoming tender may have also had something to do with Washington’s unilateral offer of the Boeing F/A-18 Super Hornet, before which Paris considered the Mirage-2000-5 a worthy opponent to the American F-16 Fighting Falcon. The perception was that matching the old Mirage family against the relatively new Super Hornet would give the Americans the technological edge in the contract and subsequent trial tests.
xanaduLet’s face it. Indo-Israeli co-operation is a win win for both sides.India is a huge market and Israel has some very good tec to offer. remember India is still in the process of developing its defence industry and Israel is a easier way to play catch up with the rest. For Israel which has sales to china blocked by the US India is an opportunity it cant let go. Face it dollars are just not all that abundent for Israel. It is still heavily dependent on US aid. Israel has always tried not to be to dependent on anyone for its survial. A partnership with the Indians will help its industries a whole lot of course with the blessings of the US.
xanaduWaiting to see what the finished product is going to be like.
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