This would be the same seller who has just sold a couple of broken pieces of Merlin engine casing from Hurricane P3175, while the aircraft lies displayed in the BofB hall at Hendon complete with its intact Merlin!
Samples of panels were recovered and have been lab analysed to determine inter granular corrosion extent and best preservation protocols.
To survive a nylon trawl relatively intact ….. shows a degree of structural soundness.
Those lab tests will be vital. Even though parts might be intact and appear solid to the touch, when brought to the surface the percentage of chemically changed corrosion material might be so high that when it is removed there will be little or nothing left of the part concerned.
‘Surviving the nylon trawl’. There is nothing to say how old the trawl net is – could have been there for a few decades and originally attached itself when the structure was more sound – even during an earlier period of exposure above the sand. Also, it might not have been under the pull of a trawler when it snagged the wreck.
However, still worth giving such a rare opportunity a go. It might not remain intact, but I’m sure some useful sections will result.
Put on your swim goggles, sit up straight in front of the computer screen, and watch the survey dive footage from 2011.
Then post about what you see rather than what you suppose.
Severe corrosion.
If raised, it will not reach the surface in one piece, and when at the surface much of the remaining smooth thin surfaces that provide the distinctive outline will be beyond saving leaving a skeletal structure hard to identify as a Do17. But, if the funding is there, give it a go, and soon. Much will be saved and if left it will not be long before only a bag of bits will survive.
Might be a red herring, but ….. pictures of a Typhoon elevator appeared on a thread on this forum at about this time last year (March?). Apologies but cannot recall the name of the thread.
Instead of plans, I quick flip through Melvyn Hiscock’s book on the Hurricane Inside and Out might produce what you need.
Centre left could be from a joint connection at the rear of the seat. Alternatively, depending on size (difficult to make out from the photo), they could be the small attachment points that are fed through the securing rivets on one of the rear fuselage joints.
Each of the Hurricane pieces will have a part number stamped on it. Listing those for each photo might draw out more detail from forum members.
No problem, glad it was of use.
In case you haven’t resolved the squadron code issue yet, Tangmere1940’s book ‘Spitfire P9374’ gives the topic some coverage.
The restoration of the HC-452 has been now completed, with the plane attached to the permanent exhibition of the Aviation Museum of Central Finland. – A photograph of the plane in the exhibition.
Looking good, and a credit to the team who did the work. Pleased to see that any temptation to ‘smarten it up’ has been resisted. It must be the most original of the surviving MkI Hurricanes. The nearest contender is probably L1592, but not sure how much that aircraft was changed in the name of refurbishment and preservation prior to it taking up residence in the Science Museum in 1961.
Papa
Sorry about that Gerry, got hold of the wrong end of the stick for some reason. I was actually thinking about this photo entitled Pilots of 257 Squadron which is on sale on the net from various sources and got confused which is easily done at my age. Maybe the others in photo may be in the film although there are no names attached.
From research into that squadron dating back a number of years ago now, I’m sorry to add that second from right in the photo is Geoff Ball if my memory serves me correctly.
The Hydrographic office web site actually lists some interesting aircraft wrecks but not a great deal of interest.
Mike E
Most, if not all, of the Hydrographic Office’s information on aircraft wrecks will have come from the diving community.
Agree ref aluminium/magnesium alloy sections. Steel sometimes fares better, but all very much depends on the seabed bottom and the local marine environment. Very much luck of the draw, but the clock is ticking very firmly on that luck.
Newforest
….. the English Channel was surveyed a couple of years ago by the Odyssey Explorer. They were basically looking for shipwrecks, but I am sure they would have discovered many aircraft remains.
If they started ‘a couple of years ago’, they would still be at it now in the Channel!. The Channel covers a vast area and surveying at sea is a very slow, time consuming business and therefore enormously expensive. Much less so if you have a previously located target to aim for, but there are relatively few of those.
Most ‘known’ aircraft wrecks at sea around the UK have been found by divers diving on charted wrecks. These charted wrecks were invariably found during routine state organised surveys for maritime safety purposes, and as such the prime objective was to locate potential dangers rather than find out what the dangers are.
That’s where over the years amateur divers have filled a large gap, but 68+ years immersed in salt waters doesn’t make their task any easier, and time is fast running out. Wessex Archaeology are rather late on the scene. Perhaps better late than never, but add to that the belt tightening of the present recession and we are almost back to square one.
Aerial die-back
…an while we are in the vicinity of sloping aerials, why do they slope rearward on all Seafire XV’s, where fitted, but not on any other mark or Spitfire or Seafire?
Mark
Mmm, and I thought PZ was an isolated case of aerial die-back. Obviously not. Just hope it doesn’t spread! Someone out there must know what’s going on.
It is probably to do with being the last Hurricane built.
It was either fitted from new with a whip aerial or was changed to a whip aerial when in the promotional service of Hawkers.
Mark
Good point – as shown in your photo. However as PZ has had its woodwork changed at least once, and a ‘proper’ Hurricane style aerial fitted during one of those changes, it would have been logical to have made the ‘new’ aerial upright as its fitment is an integral part of the woodwork structure.
Hurricane PZ865 aerial
Anyone any idea why PZ865’s aerial leans gently backwards, as well shown in DCW/Fred Taylor’s photos above?
It’s certainly nothing to do with the recent refurbishment work, as photos from years/decades ago show the same ‘leaning’ arrangement. All the other surviving Hurricanes have the aerial parallel with the rudder post.
DCW
Duxford Thursday 28th March:
A quick stop at 4 o’clock was too late to see a display practice from the Sabre. I’m told it was a stirring sight (and sound). All I could manage was a shot of the F-86 just before she was put inside:
What a gem!
Excellent series of photos (as always!) at #735. Any chance you could ‘read off’ or enlarge just a couple of stencils please – can’t quite make them out, except for the W/T marking, on the posted photos?
1) Immediately behind and below canopy on a/c right side – see 0251 & 0252.
2) Just under leading edge, just above and to right of the a/c’s right u/c leg – see 0265.