mike currillOriginally posted by Flood
The photographer was apparently the chief phot at The News, who was in the area ‘for a different job’, but suspect that due to the fact that only one image seems to have come to light this was a sudden off the cuff grab – although my informant has suddenly become too busy to answer the phone (huh, work!).
The location can be found at http://www.streetmap.co.uk/newmap.srf?x=468500&y=99500&z=3&sv=468500,99500&st=4&ar=N&mapp=newmap.srf&searchp=newsearch.srf
The picture was taken from the west side of the north-south channel, looking across at the dunes adjacent to Sinah Common. As you can see it is not wide and a lot of marine traffic would be going through the gap. I mentioned above about the tidal race because this would be the best place for sail vessels and the like to use their engines, without having their sails up. Imagine trying to make out a steel mast against a hazy background – or maybe you have tried go-karting or something (I am trying to put forward the idea of speed at low level and the way that things become difficult to see).Willow,
You are right – it has been sometime (but how could I avoid them!) since I’ve seen any James Bond films despite all the opportunities… On reflection maybe I should have said something more like:- “could not handle the concept of why an aircraft should be able to – or would want to – land on and take off from a water mass”!
The Bond reference I used when talking to my mate was all I could think of to describe the notion, at that point, because
a/ I was on my own mobile phone and therefore paying a highly inflated fee;
and
b/ he likes to think that he knows about films – and the 70s he regards as his forte – although he has more to do with motoring.
That said I should have known since I think Bond gets out through the aircrafts nose in a manner that you certainly couldn’t do in a Buccaneer.Janie,
Your expert would probably know this as forshortening – which IIRC is the use of a ‘long’ lens and a small aperture to create a deep depth of field in such a way that most of the image is in focus (but not necessarily sharp) so that scale becomes difficult to judge; ie the yacht appears to be a similar size to the fuselarge although it might be twice the length. In the bright weather this would be very simple – coupled with a slow-ish shutter speed used to blur the prop and minor background pan. This effect would be enhanced, of course, by the cropping of the image so that it appears to fill more of the frame – making it look as though taken on a longer lens, although it was probably the standard issue Nikon 70-200mm f2.8 that they use. Other technical bits are that it would have been taken on a Nikon D1 almost certainly set on maximum JPEG size (compressed to 6-7000k I think, but that is me way out of my depth!).Flood
Janie,
You have just provided adequate proof that you are an anorak
Still I guess we all have something we are passionate about
mike currillOriginally posted by Steve Bond
Yes sorry, I have been meaning to look up the details and post them. Trouble is, all my records are at home, and I’m in the office, so it’s a case of remembering to do it! Anyway, I have a full list for that display with all aircraft and units, so I’ll try to remember to check tonight and post tomorrow. OK?
Fine by me Steve, thanks.
A bit before my airshow going days(Iwas only 3 at the time) but I love aircraft of that era
mike currillDaz
MV293 was all silver with a red stripe across the wing span between roundels the laast time I saw her
mike currillDefinitely a spitfire, probably MH434, most likely at Duxford during flying leg ends
mike currillI notice there is a spitfire and an Avro York in the second picture, I would also be interested in details on the York
mike currillOriginally posted by lozhowlett
Thanks for the support guys,I went solo in a PA28-161, very nice plane, but with only one person in it I got 1300ft/min climb out! It was so quick! I was doing near on 100kts downwind!
Great feeling, cant wait to get onto Nav now. Currently learning for my Met, which is good stuff.
Flying is far too much fun, and I think it should be a class ‘A’ drug!
thanks again
loz
Nah, you don’t really want it to be a class A drug , the government would ban it then and you’d have to break the law to indulge
mike currillOriginally posted by YakRider
At the Coventry Airshow, the local flying club did a bit of Cessna formation flying before the main event began – nice gentle manoeuvres, and certainly something different.The pic shows them taking off in formation. They also did a very impressive formation landing. Perhaps they could be coaxed to did their bit somewhere else.
YR
Great shot, lookin’ good I reckon
mike currillOriginally posted by mike currill
Your comments about manufacturer support are exactly the reason I say the Lightning and Buccaneer will never fly on the displa circuitin this country. It was only the fact that BAe reluctantly agreed to support the Vulcan that the CAA agreed to let her fly again
Further to the above I meant to add that the last I heard BAe had flatly refused any product support for either type which means the CAA will not entertain the idea of allowing them to fly
mike currill[QUOTE]Originally posted by yak139
To spin or not to spin?
I wonder how many of you have been on a skid control course with your car since you passed your test. This improvement in car control could save your life.
I never spun an aircraft during my PPL, but since then I have had spin training on a Pitts and a Yak 52, and hopefully a better pilot for it!
There is no doubt the more flying in different types and IMC, taildragger, aerobatics flight the better pilot you will be. Do I think it should be compulsory, no. Do I think you should do it, when you are ready, yes.
However remember spin recovery does vary between aircraft, so if you can train in your particular regular mount then use it. [/QUOTE
Therein lies the basic problem , a lot of training aircraft are not cleared for intentional spinning which poses another question. If an aircraft is cleared for unintentional spinning why not intentional spinning?
mike currillOriginally posted by LesB
Merlin wrote :Not really. Consider the problems Air Atlantique had with their Shackleton. Perfectly air-worthy, flying fairly frequently in the states, owned by a company with large, 4-prop experience and the facilities to handle such an aircraft. AA could not get permits to fly their Shack in the UK as a “visitor” even though it is on the US register. The reason, as I understand it, was because the “type” manufacturer (BAe) would not take responsibility for the aircraft – nothing to do with they CAA, they could do no more than refuse a flying permit for the UK.
As for the Bucc and Lightning, these aircraft have exceedingly complicated control systems (which even the full resources of the RAF found difficult to keep up with). Neither of these aircraft have, eg, any control reversion sytems, if the power control authority is lost, the kite goes in! This is unacceptable – and, I would reckon, un-insurable for any air show.
Regarding the Vixen though, I’m not sure what’s letting that fly. :confused: It seems to be exempt from checks that would deny other aircraft flight time.
It’s a shame I know, but consider the recent events with the Firefly – imagine if that had been a Lightning.
Nah! You want to see a Cold War jet, go watch the Canberra. :rolleyes: 😀
Your comments about manufacturer support are exactly the reason I say the Lightning and Buccaneer will never fly on the displa circuitin this country. It was only the fact that BAe reluctantly agreed to support the Vulcan that the CAA agreed to let her fly again
mike currillOriginally posted by andrewman
Hi dhfan1 Yeah ok fair comment
2 I was not getting at you the people who have no who they are and its not fair
I was in fact talking about XX885 the bucc that HHa are trying to get lying in the Uk
Not XH558
3 Fair point but these no need for people to get so silly over it the if its jets **** it attitude of some people on hear is very nasty and not needed I dont like old bi planes and aint that keen on ww2 stuff but I dont take the piss out of those that do
You’ll never see a Bucc fly in this country for the same reason you’ll never see a Lightning fly here, the CAA(Campaign Against Aviation consider them too complex, though if they’re willing to allow a vulcan to fly if the funding can be found I don’t see any problems with the other two as they are no more complex I would have thought( apart from the afterburner on Lightnings
mike currillRe: Getting to fly WW2 aircraft
Originally posted by Whiskey Delta
I was wondering what qualifications most pilots of the flying warbird collections in the UK are and how they got the job.Here in the US the organizations are a bunch of “Good Old Boy” clubs which means if you ain’t a good ol’ boy you ain’t getting in no matter what your qualifications are. For example, the Lone Star Flight museum that has an impressive collection of everything from a T-34 Mentor to a B-17 and Corsair. If you’re lucky enough to wiggle your way into the organization as a pilot you’ll find yourself as a pilot of the T-34 for years before you’ll get the opportunity to fly anything else.
Not that flying a T-34 would be anything to complain about the problem the historic aviation community is running into is that since an organization will have 3 pilots that are checked out in the B-17 and not another soul is allowed to touch the controls when those pilots die there is no one to replace them. I also hate to say it but I feel (and I’m not the only one from others I’ve talked to) this is why some airplanes have crashed. The few that pilot these historic airplanes are lucky to put 50 hours in their logbook each year and nearly all of those are flying straight and level to and from shows, not praticing emergencies. If they encounter an abnormal situation it’s likely they’ll have trouble as they have to try and knock the cobwebs off their emergency procedures. The CASA 111 accident comes to mind.
As much as they enjoy sharing these fine aircraft with the public, they are completely sheltered in sharing them with the aviation community. It would make more sense to operate a mentoring program that trains your replacement or at least shares the knowledge with as many as possible. From those that I’ve talked to the CAF (Commemorative Air Force now) is the worst of the bunch. In fact I ran into a group in Colorado that broke away from the CAF because they got sick of dealing with the militaristic good ol’ boy mentality.
I think there is a good chance that a lot of organizations are going to back themselves into a corner as they start to lose pilots due to health or death. Sure their B-25 might fly but the only guys who flew it are gone and the cost of finding and training a new crew from scratch is cost preventative.
Please tell me the situation is better overseas.
The way I see this is that such organisations are not doing anyone any favours and should really think ahead and start training some younger pilots to fly these machines safely
mike currillOriginally posted by philo
Ah Roast Chicken, one of those ‘what if my granny left me 10 squillion quid a 1000 acre airfield and 200 perfectly preserved aircraft in hangars’ questions.
I’m hot and bored in the office so I’ll play, and as its hypothetical I’ll include unavailable aircraft.
Where – Easy – Former RAF Abingdon, would evoke so many memories.Transport Command(ish)
DC3
Beverley
Hastings
Andover
Whistling Tiit -oops sorry Argosy
Belfast
C130
C17
Twin Pin
Anson
OxfordFighter INterceptor(jet)
Hunter FG6 A (& T7 for comparison)
Lightning
Javelin
Phantom
F86
Vampire
Venom
Meteor(F8 please)
Mig 17
Mig 21
Jaguar
Drakken
F104Bomber
Lancaster
B17
B25
B29
Canberra
B52
B1B
B2aHistoric Fighter
Spitfire (MKIIa and the latest MK available for comparrison)
Hurricane – all available UK examples (7 ?)
Typhoon
P51
P47
P38
La 9
P40Naval / Maritime
GANNET
Swordfish
Sea hawk
Sea Vixen
Shackleton
Sea Venom
Phanton
Sea Harrier
Sunderland
Catalina
WalrusDehaviland and Miles Flight
Everything from each manufacturer available.
Just for starters
Hey Philo guess what you forgot:
T-6 in RAF colours
DH mosquito
Blenheim
P61
YAK 9
Beaufighter
Scimitar
though where we’d find airworthy examples of most of them I’ve no idea
mike currillOriginally posted by Warhawk
And it will be another month before I get to read it.Damned ocean anyway. 😡
😉 😀
Hey Warhawk I hear there’s this great new fangled idea called the mail system what you do is to take out a subscription to the mag and they will get it to you via this mailm system thingy and,guess what you’ll have your copy a few days after we get it here.
Cheers
Mike
mike currillGreat pix BR wish I had been lucky enough to enjoy it with you
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