Originally posted by Whiskey Delta
It has to do with the inherent Postive Static Stability of the aircraft not CG. Your apprehension is fed by poor education and demonstation.
Ah, more fabricated stats. Again, 60 years of training spins at my flight school and there are no fatalities or accidents as a result. Allow for a enough altitude to complete a 4 turn spin and you’ll be fine. Please quote me your source for accidents ratios.
Release of back pressure before addition of rudder? I’ve never heard of a recovery even close to that. Isn’t it neutralize controls, opposite rudder, forward yoke and recover? I’ve never heard of an addition of back pressure as that will extend the stall state.
Funny that you would consider a intentional emergency an suitable risk as long as it’s properly mananged yet you are arguing to no end that doing the same for spin training is unacceptable.
Health warning? First I didn’t realize that there was a health risk involved with spinning. Perhaps if one is at risk for health related issues they shouldn’t be flying. Second, you spin apprihension is perpetuated from one pilot to the next just as you “stats” that prove it’s a fatal training procedure. Also just because someone was in the military doesn’t make them the be-all and end-all of pilot information. There are just as military idiot pilots as there are private sector pilots. Trust me, I’ve ended up flying with most of the idiots.
A dinosaur? What changed in the last 20 years that made spin training outdated? The laws of physics didn’t shift did they?
I never said that this is where it’s going to happen. Through a 15 hour student into an airplane for a solo practice of stalls and other manuvers and their inexperience can easily lead to them in advertantly spinning an aircraft. I’ve personally been there as have my students. It happens. Improper rudder or wind shift and send a power-on stall into a spin before you know it. If you haven’t experienced that yet as an instructor then it’s a matter of time.
The training cycle puts every student pilot into many stituations that if not handled properly can put them in a spin. I’ve talked to plenty of FAA inspectors that have found themselves staring at the spinning earth as a result of the pilot applicant (both the fault of the pilot and as a result of outside factors). While performing power-on stalls with an Instrument student in a C172 we suddenly entered a spin with no corrolating input from myself or the student. I took the aircraft(As he was under the hood) and recovered from the spin. Assuming that the student had done something to cause our spin we did attempted the stall again with the same result but with the student recovering. It seems an unnoticeable inadvertant adjustment to the fixed rudder trim tab had thrown off our ability to control the aircraft in slow flight even though the ball was centered.
It can happen, and believing other wise is fooling yourself and your student. Not preparing your student for every possiblity is cheating them.
“Teach them to fly only on calm, clear, smooth days and during daylight hours and equip them with only enough knowledge so they don’t kill themselves?”
I guess no one took any notice of what I said, Who is more likely to end up in an accidental spin than a ham fisted student , as far as I know low time students are the most likely candidates for an unintentional spin and therefor most definitely in need of PROPER spin appreciation and recovery training
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