https://arcturus415.wordpress.com/2013/08/07/for-those-questioning-f-35-all-aspect-stealth/What are the Russian countermeasures for radars that, shut off? What about UHF radar?
BTW more on rear aspect stealth
Exhausts Get Stealthier As Radars Improve*
Aviation Week & Space Technology*
05/28/2007, page 31*
Edited by David Bond*
Printed headline: S-Shaped Stealth*
Stealth technology continues to improve, mainly because radars are getting better, too. Active electronically scanned radars, built with a thousand or more radiating elements in arrays that can be tens-of-feet long and wide–and with more power output and range –can now see small targets, like stealthy cruise missiles from head-on. So there are lots of ideas about how to defeat them. For example, after focusing for decades on protection from X-band radars, designers are now building aircraft that also are protected from low frequencies. Exhaust also figures in stealth advances. Stealth aircraft have always been vulnerable down the tailpipe, because radars respond in particular to rotating parts.*F-22s have a big, expensive, heavy blocker in the tailpipe.*The B-2 has a stair-stepped exhaust. Now, both Boeing’s X-45N and Northrop Grumman’s X-47B-like design for the Navy’s unmanned combat aircraft demonstration will have a snake-like, S-shaped exhaust–as well as the now-standard curved inlets–that traps radar signals and
Jessmo23, please, don’t be ridicolous:the only plane with rear aspect stealth is the F-22 i.e.
something that was absolutely dedicated to A2A or better air dominance missions.Planes performing deep strike mission, beginning from the F-35 doesn’t have it as they doesn’t really need it so much as in such type of missions they usually come inside straight, drop load and turn away immediately: reduction of AD missile range due to passage to tail on engagement is superior to the gain they radar get for the loss of stealth.
Maybe it would instead be of some utility in CAS mission instead, as in this case the plane loiter at lower quote and velocity so it can expose its own rear aspect while vulnerable, but they are not mission PAK-FA would perform anyway.For the rest, please again,almost read all my post, not just the last line: seems me you have lost all the part about the SU-30 and -34 integral EW suite and so on.
The part about T-50 having the possibility to carry ARM in their inner bays wasinstead just a reminder about the fact that F-35 just can’t do the same, almost not until a different ARM would be developed from scratch.Either in case of US or better of USN the HARM alone is not the actual solution on itself: it is just a part of the package of the Growler together with a built-in ESM and dedicated jamming pods so to join the three in just one package what it was previously done by Prowlers and Wild Weasels.
Su-34 would perform the same in VVS ranks with a possible advantage given by their greater dimensions that would probably allow, not 100% sure, to fit the full package on a standard version instead than on a dedicated one.
B-2 all aspect stealth
F-35 all aspect stealth ( lol the tail feathers and even the spray bars use stealth techniques.
F-22 all aspect spray bars are hidden
Nozzles use lo shaping.
Even the F-117 was stealthy from behind.
Im simply pointing out.that if massing cruise missiles behind sams, will keep the U.S. at bay what about Russia?
So your going to use harm versus S-300? Whats the range on harm compared to s-300/S-400 class missiles? Furthermore a clever opponent will only activate some batteries to prevent egress. Notice how during package Q F-16s were lost during egress. When the IRAQi defenders realized the Harm threat was over and started firing sams with tracking rather than ballistic. A Ukraine wiith enough S-300 batteries would create no go zones harms or not.
The same that they do in a lesser scale in Syria with their Su-34 and Su-30.
Planes so big they can carry integral jamming system and ARM on board together with usual payload instead of relying on dedicated planes like USN Growler.
Plus the T-50 operative version when it will be available: maybe it is not really optimized (anyway, what you exactly means with this term Jessmo? Something like Tornado or F-111?) into deep strike but is still a full stealth and can carry more payload at a greater range than F-35.
P.S. I was just forgetting it: + ARM than can fit into its own inner bays.
Un-optimized as in the plane can likely get into launch range, but its rear aspect isnt stealthy. Its dead on egress, and dead facing pop up threats.
If Ukraine discreetly got Patriots Himaars, and M-1 (I know a big what if) they could not only keep the Russians out of the airspace, but make things very bloody.
Im not sure if anti-rad missiles are the answer. Are HARMs the U.S. answer?
Remeber Russia is trying to sell S-300 to everyone.
Both the F-22 and F-35 radars have no issues with building a SAR MAP while staying stealthy. It’s kinda the whole point of LPI radar.
Regarding an EO system, the LRS-B will certainly need one, whether it is the F-35’s EOTS on not. But
concerning the capability of finding moving targets on the ground, isn’t the philosophy of using only one EOTS manually used by one pilot not outdated.
I imagine that now with today’s processing power, it would be possible to process a video in RT. A plane could have several EOTS, each searching for its own target automatically with target recognition software. Using the radar to find targets is likely to betray the position of the plane.For instance, to search mobile launchers, each EO system would look at one road. The map with all the roads would be stored in a database so the software knows exaclty where to orient each EO system. Other search patterns could be used, like each EO system searching in its own search zone.
With that kind of capability the LRS-B would find much more targets on the ground and would have a higher probability at using its large number of bombs per sortie.
If each EO system costs 2-3 million, integrating around 8 systems would cost only 20 million, which is a tiny fraction of the cost of the plane. Multiple EO systems would also enable to engage several targets simultaneously with cheap LG weapons, the LSDB1 for instance.
Regarding the helmet, if the LRS-B has the DAS, it’s probably worth it to give it the Gen III helmet. The pilot would not have much visiliblity in his cockpit, so the helmet would give it the capability to see through the airframe. 400k is negligeable compared to the cost of the plane. If the helmet is too heavy for a long flight, I guess they can put on their Gen III helmet only when needed, the rest of the time they can use a regular helmet.
Do you realize that the F-35 does all of this with just 1 EOTS. The F-35 radar doesn’t betray its position. Why re-invent the wheel?
One more thing spud. If this plane can’t talk to both F-22 and F-35 it will be a travesty.
They mentioned jamming abilities in the article above. So maybe we are talking about multiple Aesa jammers, or a, next generation jammer capacity. If you can afford multiple APG-81s, wouldn’t it make for great multi-directional jamming? Aesa would also allow for armaams for self defense, and big SAR modes.
I would even activate them as red air. It will be a nightmare trying to track and shoot them. Even in an F-35
Im sure this project is dark or grey for a reason. Our foreign friends, will try for years to hack copy, and or steal designs
Why wont the Iaf just do this and cut to the chase:
5 super hornets
5 F-35s
5 F-16V
5 mig 35
5 Typhoons
5 T-50s
And 5 F-15Es
There did we miss anything? Because at this rate they will have a few of every type on. Earth.
India offered F-35
I guess the U.S. has deceived another sucker ehhh?
What happens when U.K. and American interests clash?
Its not the range of the DF-21 which makes the CSG stand off east of the second island chain. Its the
radius of the MPAs which provide targeting via satcom to the DF-21 batteries.
Im simply saying that technically, you could put unlimited amounts of pac2/3on the island and thaad and operate with impunity.
Do the chinese have more carrier killer missiles than we have patriots? Let them shoot off all their missiles.