Jessmo23https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sukhoi_PAK_FA
QUOTE=Glyph;2250169]Ok bud I have to call you on this.[/QUOTE]
The prototypes and initial production batch will be delivered with a highly upgraded variant of the*AL-31F*used by the Su-27 family as interim engines while a new clean-sheet design powerplant is currently under development. The aircraft is*
I’m sorry It’s the Su-27 engine as If that makes a difference. Its not a clean sheet design.
Jessmo23????? Until now, it was said,in official audit, that the OVERALL level of stealth of F-22 is vastly superior of that of F-35, it
was pointed also by many that the measures taken to achieve this 360° coverage that made the cost and the complexity of the Raptor to skyrocket, causing the final demise of its production and now you say F-35 is superior not in the frontal ( something absolutely probable) but instead in the other angle of attack?
Same with the asserted inferiority of PAK-FA, something that I ‘ve heard hundreds of times, all based with no any significative variations after something Sukhoi’s chief designer had stated, now several years ago> than PAK-FA was designed in a way not to sacrificate too much of its overall flight performances in order to achieve a superior level of stealth, as it happened, according to him, with the F-22.
To put it simple while F/22 was designed to have an equally low RCS in almost all direction, both T/50 than F/35 but also any other project actually ongoing has scrapped it and sport a head/on focused RCS reduction.
It seems a paradox but F/22 RCS although superior in that regard was just not enough to the for the mission it was intended to perform i.e. unrealistic expectations about what the stealth allow to do, while a most limited one is still sufficient to perform more standard .Now, after all this years it seems that you have remained stuck to this initial declaration, without even give a glimpse to the now several threads in this same forum about the PAK-FA?
Maybe you are one of those that that still believes than the T-50 has exposed fan blades, with not any tentative of shielding them?:eagerness:
Ok bud I have to call you on this.
The T-50 uses the Su-30 legacy engine.
The F-135 engine is a newer design where even the AB spray bars are stealthy. The tail feathers ona F-35 have stealth feAtures, and even where the engines mates the body has serrated edges.
The T-50 has no such features. The lightening is truly all.aspect the T-50 isnt.
Jessmo23If Russians cannot make a decent radar, then they cannot make a decent SAM.. Then you
should have no problem to take an F-35 and fly it over Russia..Interesting.. Based on the cellphone sales, the best AESA radars must be made in South Korea.. China should be also pretty much on par with the US.. :eagerness:
What makes you think that the APG-81 is a good radar? I don’t remember having seen any evidence from you..
How about mods clean up what began as a talk about a simulation and trolls turned into a debate about crap none of them know about personally. Stop turning every thread here into crap with tactless OT nationalism.
I don’t believe its nationalism to describe what a country is good at and what it isn’t.
The U.S. sucks at diesel sub tech. Does that mean I’m anti American? Msphere and I are just having a friendly sparring match. He tripped and fell, thats all :-p
Jessmo23If Russians cannot make a decent radar, then they cannot make a decent SAM.. Then you
should have no problem to take an F-35 and fly it over Russia..Interesting.. Based on the cellphone sales, the best AESA radars must be made in South Korea.. China should be also pretty much on par with the US.. :eagerness:
What makes you think that the APG-81 is a good radar? I don’t remember having seen any evidence from you..
I wouldn’t doubt it if The Chinese and Koreans in there sleep could build an AESA better than the Russians. And its not that I think they aren’t smart enough, its the industrial base. Russians are good at rockets and engines. Leading the world in electronic production? Not so much.
Jessmo23We have a radar expert right here.
But its not the only one, i really am dumbfounded by the ability of an uncommon number of people in this topic to make assumptions on the EW capabilities of things like the AN/APG-81 radar or the SAP-518 Pod based on the entirely generalistic texts published on the aviation press!
Because you have both a Russian, And American security clearance? Listen I MAY not be a radar expert, BUT im not trying to pass myself off as one. The sooner you realize that none of us are cleared, and those that are are silent, they better we will be. I’m justifying me saying the Ibris is trash not based, a clearances. Im basing the Ibris being trash be factoring in the state of the Russian military industrial complex.
Do the Russians have a good working IT base, on par with the west? When was the last.timevI bought a Russian chip, or mother board? What was the last piece of soft ware I bought that was coded in Russia?
Last Russian cell phone? You do know that cell phone tech and TR modules are not completely apples and oranges right?
Where is your anecdotal evidence ro prove the Russians can build a radar even close to an APG-81?
Jessmo23Omg..
You don’t see the sheer error in this?
An F-35 without a wingman, and has adefensive 9K position from a Flanker…
Even at a offensive 9K position(higher altitude)!Sorry to burst Your bubble, but the F-35 is totaly screwd without any wingman.
Seriously, you guys has not produced a singel sheed of evidence that the F-35 along With every other jet, regardless of nations, do BFM with a wingman at its selective defensive position. If there is four, then its a 2/2 and so on.
The core of BFM has not really changed sinse the WW2, which i believe a certain german pilot ACE/Instructor wrote the basics of it all.And the one example was about F-22 vs Legacy F-16/F15 With whatever suck@ss outdated system it ever had in Nelis..
What on Earth has this the do With a Su-35S With an Irbis-E system?Comeon People, this is pure BS!!
And further more, why the clever idea to put eight(or was it 10?) missiles on the Su-35S..
WHY?
So that the EM Charts of the Flanker would point suspectivly Close(or even worse) the the F-35?
So that the mission Range(time on AB) of the Su-35S would be reduced due to excessive drag?
So that the RCS of the Su-35S would be at the all time high?
So that the Su-35S would simply not outperform the F-35 on the supercruise arena.. which really boils Down to the F-35 have to use far more AB to even keep up, never mind overtake the Su-35S, to get in the Flanking/ambush position you guys are talking about.Pls do send(PM) “Gums”(retired viper pilot) over at F-16.net a few question about this.. 🙂
Infact he has said on several occations that most of the advs figure on both radar track and missile Pk range are far, FAR unrealistic, and this is pretty solid coming from a guy like him.
I’m talking about the difference in ADVS and REAL perforamance.I strongly suspect he is right.
The performance of newer systems has a higher specs yes, but the gap between Companies whom farts rainbow all over the horison and what is the realistic take is still very much the same. And that goes for everyone!
Harvalla your clueless, and the ibris radar is trash. Thanks bai.
Jessmo23Did you even bother to read/translate the link?
Guess not..Well try this then, its over a year old, but it should suffice:
They have a Air regiment of Su-35S over the Dzemgi airbase in the Khabarovsk Region.
The Article state all 48 units will go there, something i’m not entirely sure of..Edit:
Think they plan for two air regiments, so it might be right.
So the only thing that would make this Scenario difficult to bring together would be the British F-35Bs reaching Ioc with enough place for a decent CAP, and Amraam C?
Jessmo23What are you talking about?
There are active Sq of Su-35S by now:http://take-off.ru/news/124-news01-12-2013/848-pervye-su-35-s-vvs-rossii
There are actually 36. We have over ,100 F-35s but how many of either type has reached IOC?
Jessmo23No large squadrons of Su-35s check
No embarked F-35Bs check
No meteor cleared on F-35 check
No political situation that would cause this fight check.
Its a possible future senario using mostly public knowledge about the systems involved.
Please Don’t take it personally.
In this Scenario the addition or subtraction of meteor, did not alter the outcome.
Jessmo23The entire thing is an imaginary senario!
Jessmo23…so why daydreaming of an imaginative Meteor version if existing AMRAAM do just as well ?
that the sim couldnt even distinguish between the two is staggering,Obl
because that will only ever be the case of 8 sec flight time or less
Oblig this is so silly. Read the story. Meteor or Amraam C didn’t make a difference. The fact that you keep bringing this up shows your lack of attention to detail. He tried Meteor he tried Amraam. He even tried red air with sustancial assets. None of that mattered. The irony is that the game uses some data from Air power Australia, which has an almost biblical status among many here. This 40 year journey to prove that stealth is an outlier and doesn’t work, is failing miserably.
Jessmo23It does work – against Ku and X-band radars. [Fighter control and missile seekers]
Its less effective but still very useful against L and S band radars. [most AWACs, GCI, SAM search radar]
Its effectiveness is very questionable against VHF or UHF radar. [old or dedicated anti-VLO long wavelength search radar]
edit: Hence why I’m not sure these command simulations are worth much – but it’d be interesting if the Su-35 had effective GCI guidance how different the engagements would be.
Your missing the point! Stealth isnt meant to make you invisible. Its meant to break the kill chain. There is no Missile with a VHF seeker head. If you try and data link it can be jammed. UHF radar doesn’t have the resolution to get an accurate targeting solution. And lastly The U.S. has back up assets in the F-22 and stand off weapons to make a mess of these radars.
Jessmo23https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shenyang_J-31
I get it. Every major aircraft designer is a Fool and should ask advice from keypubs posters.
Lockheed? Morons
Shenyang? Fools
Sukoi? Incompetent
Boeing? Clueless
Maybe we should contract MSphere and Mig-31 to build our next plane.
Jessmo23It’s almost like a Baghdad Bob level of denial. “No stealth doesn’t work” That report is B.S.. For those of you who don’t believe stealth and RCS reduction techniques work I have a Question.
Why are the Russians, Japanese, Chinese, and others using the Same plaform alignment techniques, and continuous curvature, if it doesn’t work?
The latest CHINESE design and The F-35 share basically the entire planform layout.
Jessmo23I smell sour grapes bcs folks don’t seem to fall in love with your favorite pet…
I’m not asking you to love the F-35, only to be a little fair minded, and open, and a little less partisan, and intellectually dishonest.
You where very passionate when the report came out about the plane losing.
And for gods sake, what part of ” we ran the sim with the AMRAAM C” do you not get?
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