With all of attention being given to advanced A2D2 weapons and strategies, its it a bit overrated? Considerable treasure has been spent on

1. Home on jam weapons

http://www.militaryaerospace.com/articles/2014/11/smart-weapons-ew.html

2. Advanced stealth types ,F-22/35

3. Escort jamming

4. Massive cruise missile stock piles.

Couldn’t most of these threats from Kalingrad to Hainan island be dealt with using massive brute force and conventional weapons?
100 Typhoons day raiding Kalingrad?
500 TLAMs? 400 cruise missiles fire from Ohios and B-52s?

Discuss. Could 100 Rafaels shut down Kalingrad? Are we over estimating A2D2?

So the true value is the military posturing?

Use them to bargain. Remember how the U.S. used Jupiter missiles in Turkey to bargain with during the Cuban missile crisis? China if you want our shoals removed, then remove yours.
I would literally make the the shoal from end to end VLS launchers. I would greatly increase the resources needed to defend Chinese shoals.

Im not confused.

1. The island is disputed.

2. There is substantial reclamation on the island. Regardless if we have a island or not ocean was reclaimed, so my point stands.

3. We have had advanced weapons placed on the island’s in an intimidating manor. We have had attempts at intimidation regardless if the U.S. is present or not. I do recall that oil rigs have been positioned, fishers harrassed, and even nuclear war threatened with or without the presence of the U.S.

I don’t know if your towing the party line, insulting our intelligence, or simply re-writing history.

I think you are mixing the idea that “legal actions” cannot be “provocative actions”.

Any nation has the right to perceive an action as provocative regardless of its legality, because the perception of provocation is ultimately dependent on their own national interests, rather than international law.
Putting it another way — one can conduct immensely provocative actions while remaining comfortably within the bounds of legality.

China has not placed S-400s (or any SAMs) or artillery or tactical fighters on any of its reclaimed islands. China doesn’t even have S-400s yet.

They’ve only deployed fighters and SAMs to Yongxing island — but that is not one of the reclaimed islands that have been dredged, and weapons and fighters have been deployed to Yongxing routinely for years now.

You forgot the artillary. And didnt we recently have reports of fighters deployed to a reclaimed island?

It seems like things are movinf faster than realized. U.S. allowed weapons sales to Vietnam today.

http://breakingdefense.com/2016/04/carter-yes-to-arms-sales-to-vietnam-dod-wont-elaborate/

I wonder what toys they will get?

It would seem that the only logical thing would be to dredge our own islands. They would be joint bases with Taiwan the Philippines and Japan. I China wants them moved either use physical force or bargain to have them removed. F-35Bs in Taiwan or THAAD in Taiwan or even a joint base would definitely get Chinas attention. Its not about the capability per se, its about Honor.

How would you propose to stop them? :eagerness:

You only have a few options at this point.

1. Do nothing.

2. Start the dredging of your own shoals with heavy fortifications.

3.Move Heavy tactical assets to the Philippines. Land launced TLAMs land based Aegis. F-35Bs. Hold all there new islands at threat.

4. Move a mobile sea base platform into the region.

5. Use Taiwan or the Philippines as a bargain chip. IE. Taiwan will get F-35s if you start dredging.

6. Do nothing.