1. Does your country automatically shoot down, problem aircraft over population areas?

2. Midset was different in regards to #1 before 9/11 Situational awareness wasnt %100. Either way I dont want to be the guy making the decision.

3. Hundreds if not thousands of planes in the air
Im sure confusion and lack of SA ensued.

4. Lax or budget hampered caps over conus. If the decision makers had really been convinced that planes would crash on them, (EXPERIENC is the best teacher) things would have played out differently.

5. F-15s and 16s dont fly around all day in reheat.

6. It took people dieing for the U.S. to develope draconian level security measures. If you think im kidding try leaving a Gatorade bottle in your carry on bag. This threat is best stopped on the ground.

I hope I have helped. No GWB conspiracy theories with him ejecting from the plane before impact here! Move along nothing too see.

Personally I think think Lockheed, and the U.S. should let India do final assembly and checkout. If India commited to 100 F-35s Id offer them a FACO. The facility could serve Australia, singapore, India, and some U.S. builds.
It would be a win for India, and a win for the U.S.

You are right, it doesn`t!

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It looks like a big black dude to me 😉

I think you have problem understanding what people are talking about. If the plane is departed from the controlled flight, than we are looking at uncontrolled part of the flight/fall/spin, what ever you like. Controlled part of the flight is the sequence where the pilot is puling the stick to enter the uncontrolled spin. After that the plane is doing the job of exiting the spin on its own.
Nobody is lying, you have issue with your self!

And if the F-35 AoA FBW limit is 50° (which it is), than there is no problem for the plane to exit at such AoA. How it can exploit that part of flight envelope and how it behaves and how fast and precise it can respond at such high AoA is another thing. I hope soon we shall have nice air show footage that can put some light in to it.

But thats not whats being argued! The argument is, and was, that the F-35 cant do High AOA under normal circumstances, and under control. The argument at 1st was that we had no video proof that the F-35 could Do high alpha. I proved that wrong.
Then the goal post moved to “Well, its only falling” I proved that wrong. A few people are purposely trying to hang up the argument on the purpose of the test, ignoring the fact that in order to get there then pilot has to command the plane. This is why these discussions get so ugly. The pro-F-35 crowd is fed up with intellectually dishonest individuals *Looks at toocool*.
And please lets not start name calling and making this ugly. You have no clue about my profession. Youve never had to use force on bad guys, or shoot them or fight them hand to hand, or deal with a riot. Dealing with criminals requires, a level of intelligence that people with multiple degrees cant comprehend.

I`m replaying to you only because you do sound sincere in your ignorance and I want to help
you stop polluting the thread any further.

There is absolutely nothing in the video that even resembles the J-turn!

F-35 is diving and gently rotating at the same time and after that the pilot is pulling the stick aft to increase the AoA. After that the plane is pitching down and that`s it.
When performing the J-turn, F-22 is flying horizontally at the rate not slower than 100 KCAS. After that the plane is pitching up in a climb and targeting AoA between 36° and 40°. Then the pilot is using the stick and rudder input to yaw/roll the plane to reposition. That can be clearly seen on the video and there is no such thing in the F-35 video. Even if the F-35 can do the J-turn, there is no way it can do it as fast and as good as F-22. Raptor can use TVC for pitch control which leaves the horizontal tails much higher freedom to control the roll/yaw. Russian TVC planes are in another level even compared to F-22.

Here is a good example how people want to make something out from nothing:

You simply blur and rotate the videos and make the F-35 do a “Cobra” and make the F-22 do very tight “horizontal turn” 😀
In reality F-22 is doing the power loop and F-35 is diving and than pitching up.

Not the same type of departure from controlled flight like in the case of F-35 from the video, but I hope you get the picture 😉

All in all, I don`t see any problem for F-35 to be controllable at 50° AoA and judging by the pilots reports it seems that the plane is on similar level as F-18 which is very good thing if true, specially when we talk about high AoA maneuverability. There are only three operational planes that are superior to Hornet in that regard (Su-35S, Su-30MKI and F-22). From the reports we can also conclude that the plane is inferior to F-16 in E-M domain (same as F-18).
When strictly talking about WVR fight, the problem I see with F-35 are its most likely opponents such as PAK-FA, Su-35S and Su-30MKI. All three planes are superior to F-22 in high AoA arena and PAK-FA/Su-35S are superior to F-35 in almost all cardinal performance parameters. The best thing F-35 can do is to never enter WVR fight against latest Russian fighters!

The argument was that DURING the entire video the was never in controlled flight even once. Not falling, climbing, noseing over, rocking the plane,. None of it was under any control. The assertion was that the Pilot cant go High AOA, unless hess falling.
This is a lie, I I have issue with it.

it’s written in full… read what you quote

You keep harping on what the test objective was rather, than what the plane is doing or how it got there. You still wont answer whats going on at 2:25 lol. Your making a fool of yourself.