ok, so you’re either an idiot or you’re trying your best to look like one…

when they say “the pilot puts the aircraft into an out of control situation”, how do you think he does that? praying? he flies the damn thing! he puts it in a spin ON PURPOSE as they are testing the planes ability to recover on its own.. upright, inverted, whayever… once he’s out of control, je lets the controls go (puts them in neutral position abd, eventually even removes his feet and hands from rudder pedals and stick . Then the aircraft “wakes up” (term used by engineers in the video) and takes control and recovers – it stops spinning first, then pushes the nose down so that the aircraft flies aerodynamically again, and then, as it is in a dive, pulls out of the dive to level flight.

they repeat it all through the video as it is the very purpose of it: to show the “out of control recovery system testing”

is that clearer?

And how does it get to departure? Does it fly itself to 50 degrees? LOL.

That doesn’t mean the planes out of control the ENTIRE video. Is that what out of control looks like pitching 45+ degrees from 1 vector to the other?
Is that what happens when you let the stick go? How exactly did he get in those high AOA positions with no stick inputs?
The Pilot must be clever to not touch the stick. LOL.

You linked two videos, right, but the problem was that you imagined what you’d like them to show regardless of what was shown in reality.

if I post a Su-35 demo like this:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=D9Mocle6Wzk

you can see “manoeuvering”, climbs, turns, high alpha stuff all over the place…

as I said previously, the “high alpha descent” you see in your first video proves only that it can stay stable while going straight, and descending. One can say: “it stays under control”, which is also what one can tell in a Cirrus SR20 in a stall… if you don’t make any lateral input, it stays nose high and sinks.. if you do some lateral input, you’ll enter a spin and the only way out of it will be to punch the parachute out…

Back to the F-35, what would happen if it tried to turn? would it spin or follow what’s asked by the pilot? The video doesn’t show. If the pilot tried to pull back up? would the aircraft obey, or would it stall deeper? we don’t know, the video doesn’t show… and so on

If the Pilot is pulling back on the side stick into a J-turn that is by definition controlling the plane. The plane wasn’t going fast enough to do the maneuver ballistically as you assert. Did they test AOA and departure in the video? Yes. Are there parts of the video where the plane is at high Alpha, but still in control? Yes. Your making an attempt to be intellectually dishonest. Im not going to let you wiggle out of this one.
Let me ask this. Could the F-16 with drop tanks recover from these circumstances?

Not more or less value than this:

More catty than youtube

The well is poison. people demand proof and spit proof down at same rate. what is the point? if all proof is false, you can not have discussion. Minds are decisioned. No time to upset them with fact. I point to the pointless. You can learn nothing here. What should I contribute?

If F-16 man with 2000 + hours, Navy test school and F-35 flying is falsehood, what picture or chart or article can post that is more truthful?

children will children. toxic thread. OP posts positive thing for F-35, and like bugs to light. Hate people here to rip it down. predictable like sun rise OP Post and say “now we wait” and look. I see the funny. OP smart. look how angry people are that F-35 may not suck. There day is sad now.

http://images.lmgtfy.com/?q=F-35+AoA

This is google:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google

It was not like this all ways?

What he said ^

You need either:
A. A very robust number of stand off cruise weapons
B. Escort Jamming + strikers like growlers and Super Hornets
C. Squadrens of F-35s
D. F-22s
E. B-2S OR SOME stealthy penetrating bomber.
F. A large inventory of air launched decoys

Keep in mind in Syria just like other places the S-400s are likely protected by TorM-1 point defenses, or tac air.
Also its likely that if the country has S-400s ISKLANDER is not out of the question.
Now how are you going to get real time tracking for your vaunted ballistic missiles with no access? These S-400s are very mobile.
You need to face the reality that this is the future of war. You should ask your self if your country is prepared. Whats the fastest way to be ready for the threat?
I anticipate that even after the Russians leave that they will leave advanced systems with a follow on government.

Its already been tested and operationally certified to 50 deg AoA. Are you alleging some sort of major scam behind that figure?

LOL with video evidence to prove it.

Have you ever looked into the real engagement envelope of the S-400. Just high up against a closing target like an unsuspecting airliner. At low to medium height the curvature of earth. the terrain. the density of air and last but not least ECM and a not cooperative target will create several gaps.

So since your downplaying the threat, are you will to go on record saying the system can be engaged by conventional means?
Would you want to be the F-16 pilot trying to
Drop laser guided bombs on it? Or trying to get into Harm range? Really I want to here Some EXPERT analysis on why next generation SAMs dont work. I want to hear why, The Chinese, Americans, Russians, and 1/2 the west have threat assessments wrong on next gen sams.

er, did you listen to what the guys in your video were saying, or did you just put some AC/DC ou similar sound to watch the show? the video is about putting the aircraft at high AoA and into a spin and test/develop its recovery from that.

Besides, one can recognise that its recovery is quite good, it does it on its own (pilot stops the inputs that led to the spin and lets the aircraft do its stuff), but as it is a safety measure, it is not about manoeuvering at high AoA

But it just performed a J-turn.
How is that not manuvering?
Learn to admit when your wrong, it shows maturity.