Yes but the S400 will be spotted and triangulated as soon as it goes active. There will be ground based short ranged ballistic missile ARM fired as soon as S400 fires if not before. The responding missiles will likely reach the S400 before its own missiles can travel 200 miles.
That creates a environment where S400 is completely out of picture at engagements endgame with ability to kill being dependent upon the missiles fired not the ground based parts of the system.
You do realize that this system can engage short range ballistic missiles right?
SMH. There is an old saying ” A fool is known by his multitude of words”. Atleast keep your mouth closed, to leave us in doubt of you being a fool.
he said “manoeuvers”, not “aircraft dropping flat”
in that video, whenever you have a valid visual reference (horizon), the trajectory, visible by the condensation trail, is a straight descending line… it is not falling out of control, but it is not manoeuvering either
You people are funny. You ask for evidence.
When evidence is presented you move the goal posts. Here is a J-turn at about 2:15.
Can the F-16 do this?
https://youtu.be/O6XofdlfJ0k
Has any SAM system of the past made contemporary fighters obsolete? No, they did not. The S-400 has no magical qualities that will make things different this time around.
When an operator starts using a new radar or SAM system, he begins to compromise it. If the S-400 unit in Syria ever radiates in full operational mode, or attempts an engagement, Israeli elint will have rich pickings.
‘Shouting’ in all-caps does not strengthen the case you are trying to argue.
Has there ever been a SAM with a 200+ mile engagement zone? By all means let them buy fighters that radiate like a barn.
They are just kidding when they say anti-access. BTW my case stands the weapon system is a generational transformational leap over a SA-2. As soon as you take off your in the missile NEZ.
I get that bit. I suppose what I’m saying is that the whole anti S400 mission is one area of operations
where the F35 might be wonderful, but for much of the time it will be draggy and not stealthy in the same way as the poor old eurocanards.
Lets not forget, the plane can still carry 8 SDB+ 2 Amraams internally with enough fuel to out range the F-16. Thats not an insignificant load. If im going to hang things off of the wings, I might start with cruise missiles.
It’s simple.. With the F-35 allegedly having such remarkable nose pointing authority, we shall soon see
some breathtaking high AoA maneuvers performed by this aircraft.
I personally am not holding my breath.. But do wake me up when a video like that pops out..
A Video like this?
https://youtu.be/mfWHHuLILs0
Poor point. Every single US bomber for the last 50 years was designed to deploy nuclear weapons against the Soviet Union yet they never did. Instead they all operated around the globe in all types of combat scenarios. B-1 was the CAS star performer of Afghanistan, bombers participated in both Gulf Wars, in Libya in 2011, over Serbia etc etc etc.
Less political rubbish and more specific bomber talk would be appreciated…
I agree China strong. No more U.S. China talk.
Back to the LSRB. I am almost certain I read someplace that the plane may be AMRAAM capable. Do you believe Jamming is good enough for day escort.
For starters you have no factual basis to support your claim of the F-35 being draggy other than your eyeball and unfortunately for you, facts get in the way of your claims.
I also want to add that as soon as the F-16 and Euro-canards take off they are in the S-400 NEZ, for most baltic states. If your only going to buy planes that are useless militarily you can get Cessnas cheaper than F-16s. ISKLANDER, AND S-400 HAVE RENDERED ALL 4TH GENERATION FIGHTERS OBSOLETE.
Where did I say anything about Chinese planning being gospel? We do know, however, that they tend towards caution and redundancy in development pathways. They also don’t tend to let anyone know how many of anything they anticipate operating a quarter-century into the future. It’s easy to meet targets when nobody knows what they were in the first place. And of course it helps that most outside China have consistently underestimated the pace and extent of the nation’s progress.
Im just pointing out that you seem very Biased in favor of the Chinese. A country who has a habit of creating enemies on every border. You dont see the U.S. claiming the entire Gulf of Mexico, or the carribean.
You are talking about a coutry who has institutionalized cheating, to gain an advantage. If innovation was a mainstay this would not be the case. Im more apt to believe the Chinese haven’t planned the next 50 years militarily because the U.S. hasn’t invented the weapons they need.
I dont hate the Chinese, I simply have 0 faith in them.
Israel Reconsidering 2008 Purchase of U.S. Jets; Cabinet Mulls Cancelling Acquisition of Flawed Fighter-Jet Rejected By Most NATO Air Forces
???
Ok I smell cattle excrement in this article:
1. If Israel wants to give up air superiority in the region, by ditching 5th generation fighters then by all means do it. I suspect that when Iran gets T-50 or Su-35, and Turkey gets 100 F-35s they may reconsider.
2. “A fighter that most NATO countries reject” So now not purchasing is out right rejecting? Have Poland, Lithuania, ect bought Euro-fighters? There is so much retarded here I dont know where to start.
3. “Short ranged” Compared to what on internal fuel? Can Rafael, Typhoon, or other airframes beat it sans carrying a 18 wheeler fuel truck underwing? DUMB!
4. “Low weapons load” Its like a page ripped out of the F-35 haters hand book. The plane will carry a larger load than an F-16 in non stealth mode. Why would you compare the F-16 to the stealth configured F-35 in load?
Does the plane still fly, and drop bombs externally? Can the F-16 go where the F-35 can in stealth mode? Dumb!
5. The planes have been bought already.
There is no refund!
6. What ever happens in Syria, exspect advanced Russian sams to be in place for awhile. The S-400s haven’t been hacked or compromised like the S-300. THESE SAMS RENDER ALL F-15 types obsolete.
This article is textbook BS yellow journalism.
I am close to placing this site on the do not click list.
China builds many jet engines.
Significantly better than it does today — well, not by the time China’s economy surpasses the US as that is merely a handful of years away, but certainly a generation from now air pollution will be a much less significant issue in China than it is today (which is of course not much comfort to those who will still be dying from a lifetime of exposure). Perhaps you should read up on the history of air pollution in western nations during their age of industrialization and the widespread health effects thereof before being too smug.
Around 100.
Of course this number is just as reliable as the plans for 650 Raptors, 32 DD-21s, 132 B-2s, 29 SSN-21s, 2,400 JSFs and Reagan’s Death Stars were.
The US military that exists in successive generations of official planning documents is one hell of a thing.
So everything regarding Chinese planning is Gospel. U.S. planning never happens? I see.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Next-Generation_Bomber
The wiki page indicates that they want the LSRB to be capable of day time raids, and likely self escort. The thing has to have.
A. Some form of on board jamming like the APG-81.
B. Some form of missile capability.
C. Maybe future DIRCM capability.
Wasn’t self protection also a requirment? Could we see the Apg-81 being used here? What about being AMRAAM capable?
Insofar as anything a generation into the future can be certain, yes. That China will become the world’s largest economy is certain, while the only reason she would not leverage that economy to also become the most powerful military power on Earth is if she saw no reason to do so. For better or worse, theory, historical precedent, and recent developments all suggest that such forbearance is unlikely, and that China is unlikely to restrain the growth of its military capabilities until it is at least capable of nullifying the combined forces potentially arrayed against it. In China’s case we are looking at the requirement to nullify perhaps two-thirds of total US military strength, plus that of Japan, India, Vietnam, etc. etc. As such, growth in Chinese military spending is unlikely to stop short of parity with the United States, and could well go significantly higher depending on the threat environment at the time.
Lots of things could slow them down — few can affect the ultimate outcome.
They will soon be occupied. It’s called thinking ahead. China has hundreds of millions more people to urbanise yet.
Well sir, the had better get going if they plan on becoming a superpower this centuary. I would suggest learning how to build a jet engine 1st. I wonder how that smog issue will look when they grow their economy large enough to surpass the U.S. plus fight the entirety of Asia?
Of course China has a very robust industrial espionage program — they would be foolish not to, and as we have seen China is anything but foolish. But no, they don’t “copy” nearly to the degree or in the manner that a large cohort of the English-speaking internet alleges. The internet is full of people (mostly Americans) eager to seize on any commonality between western and Chinese platforms as an indication that copying has occurred. Look at the furor over the cockpit and nose geometry of J-20 being similar to F-22, when of course the real story is how radically different the rest of the aircraft is from its American counterparts.
Given that for the greater part of the B-21s’ service life Chinese capabilities will be at least on par with those of the United States (modified by strategic requirements and the degree of overmatch that China feels is necessary to ensure its security) you could well reverse the question — how will the United States defend Hawaii and the west coast against hordes of Chinese stealth bombers? When you have the answer, then you know what China will do as well.
You really believe thats its a given that the Chinese will be the greatest power on earth?
You dont think economic, social, war, and a host of other problems will slow them down?
What about those entire cities built but not occupied during the housing boom?
I think Asian neighbors have seen enough to realize they don’t want China as the worlds leader.
They should have consolidated the future design requirements years ago.
They are giving up market share.