Mr Kenny,
There was also the Pan Am Clipper service to Lisbon, from where BOAC ran a Dakota service to Britain.
The latter was operated by KLM, using their own aircraft – those that had escaped to Britain on the invasion of their own country – and using their own pilots – ditto. There is a thread “WWII flights to Lisbon” on this forum. Much of the content may be extraneous to your need but there may be something of interest.
Below is an extract from Pan Am’s June 1941 timetable for North Atlantic services. At that stage in WWII, before the USA became involved as a belligerent, the Eire route was “suspended during Period of President’s Neutrality Proclamation”. I presume (but do not know) that this suspension had been lifted by mid-1942, the period in which you are specifically interested.
The Pan Am archives may well still have a copy of their 1942 North Atlantic timetable and that would be worth your while checking. Meanwhile here’s the extract of the 1941 timetable.
This thread came to include mention of BOAC’s Boeing 314A services. This clipping shows the crew of G-AGBZ ‘Bristol’. I don’t know when it was taken but I think it was published post-WWII.
This photo was published in late 1942 principally to show the unusual ‘gait’ of a Whitley when in level flight. I don’t know if the caption will be legible but it gives the Whitley’s height above the ground as “less than 20 ft” – rooftop level, basically.
The photo of the Super Electra (Post # 294) shows that painting “K L M” on the under-fuselage did happen in the years before the adoption of the ‘neutrality orange’ scheme. It would be a form of publicity (self-promotion, in fact) for those people on the ground seeing the aircraft coming low overhead, when landing or taking off, for example. I don’t know if it happened with other aircraft types in the KLM fleet but let’s assume that it did.
The question is whether, when ‘neutrality orange’ was adopted, the practice continued. I’d’ve thought it more likely that, if a standard were specified, it would not have included the ‘K L M‘ but I do not know for sure. I’d suggest the painting of a country’s name as the more likely standard.
That would not preclude the aircraft painters from continuing the practice that had been adopted in the years prior to that change.
Does anyone know what the official policy was? Were printed guidelines issued, fro example?.
A video-clip of a Pan Am Clipper in Lisbon in January 1941, carrying Wendell Wilkie.
The 14 February ’59 Associated Press report was carried in the press the next day, which presumably prompted the reply by Rear Admiral Liu Hohtu on the 16th (see Post #2 above by Sabrejet)
Following up the information provided above, a bit of digging around found that, on 14 February 1959, Associated Press in London reported that a spokesman for BOAC had described the incident ‘that day’ (that is, two weeks after it had occurred): “One of the jets closed to within six feet of the Comet’s wing tip. We have photographic evidence of this dangerous flying”. There was one Sabre on either side of the Comet and the captain (Clifford Alabaster) took no evasive action.
Thanks for all the above contributions – much appreciated.
Despite the apparent evidence in the first photo, I was never entirely convinced that it was G-APDD, since the final digit wasn’t squared off enough in the edge nearer the fuselage. I might have gone for G-APDO but that, as far as I can gather, wasn’t delivered to BOAC until later in 1959. So G-APDC it was and the photo must have some kind of ‘shadow’ disguising that.
It also makes a lot of sense that it would be a proving flight – the first of six according to the articles in FLIGHT magazine. The article doesn’t specify the height at which the ‘buzzing’ took place but I imagine that G-APDC was considerably higher than the height at which a BOAC Britannia would have flown that leg. If there was indeed some kind of ‘snafu’ in the clearance process, I’d’ve thought an aircraft flying higher and faster than the norm would be likely attract attention. It was interesting to read that G-APDC, at one point on its journey, diverted to a CNAF fighter base – ironic, really.
I also found the discussion about the role of (and need for, or otherwise) the flight engineer fascinating, if only because, as a student, I once got a summer job working for BOAC (in one of the ‘Kremlin’ offices overlooking a hangar) and my task was based on the flight engineer’s log. It contained all the fuel level figures at the various stages en route and, by then converting all the fuel purchases from litres and U.S. gallons into Imperial gallons and converting all the local currencies into £s sterling at the exchange rate applying on the day of purchase, I had to arrive at the total cost of fuel for the whole journey. My calculations were checked (or spot-checked) from time to time I seem recall that there was reference to the temperature prevailing at the refuelling points en route, too, but the specifics of this elude me. The flight engineer had to check the amount of fuel taken on board each time and to sign everything off at each stage. And, of course, there were multiple stopping points on the long distance services in those days, so it was not an inconsiderable responsibility.
As another personal aside, I also noted the reference to the climb rate of the Comet. My own first flight in a Comet (a BEA 4B in mid-April 1962) was also my first flight in a jet and my first night flight and I can still recall being impressed (awed even) by the angle at which we climbed. Having only flown before in a Viking, in Viscounts and Vanguards, not to mention a Bristol Wayfarer and a Thruxton Jackaroo, the difference was dramatic. It was a service back to LAP from Majorca, where I’d seen Bf109s, He111s, Ju52s (Spanish-built ones anyway) taking off and a solitary Do24 landing in Palma harbour, the contrast could hardly have been greater.
The number of times that the planned route had to be changed because of military exercises was a bit of a surprise. I would have thought those would have been known about far enough in advance to be taken into account at the route planning stage. As scotavia described, the liaison between military and civilian controllers was not always as comprehensive as I had imagined.
I should have added that the Chinese Nationalists’ Sabres had been engaged in a ‘shooting war’ with Communist China’s MiGs in the autumn of 1958, so I imagine that they were still ‘on alert’ in January 1959.
Thanks very much, Sabrejet. My note, handwritten by this then-teenager, seemed a little too detailed not to be correct but I had some doubt about it. The final digit of the Comet’s registration is not entirely clear but appears to be ‘D’ (or, perhaps, a similarly-shaped letter). The identity of one of the Sabres is pretty clear, as can be seen below.
If the incident only got in the press because a passenger took some photos and made them available to the press, it may make one wonder if the same sort of thing happened on other occasions. I suspect not, for the following reason.
In 1958, BOAC were using Brittanias on the route that included the Hong Kong-Tokyo leg. There were three services per week and one arrived in Tokyo two days after leaving London (e.g. dep. London on a Tuesday, arr. Tokyo on the Thursday). The return journey was ‘quicker’, of course. By 1959, Comet 4s had replaced the Brittanias and possibly ran more services per week. Anyway, I wonder if the change was made in late-1958 or early-1959 and the Taiwanese wanted to check out the BOAC jets. Just a thought.
Anyway, here’s the other photo of the Sabre (with the caveats expressed in my earlier post). I have slightly lightened the image to make its identity a bit clearer:
This is about Chivenor but two years earlier. I have a postcard sent to me by a school chum who had been taken to Ilfracombe for a holiday. The picture on the front of the postcard shows an RAF Pembroke (XL929), which is probably the reason that the postcard never got discarded. After briefly mentioning what he’d seen at Thruxton, Boscombe Down and Yeovilton on the way down, my school friend wrote:
At Chivenor, I have seen XJ726 Whirlwind, WL360 Meteor T.7, VZ657 Meteor T.T.8, Chipmunks WP872, WK576, WP976, WK590, Hunter F.6s XE561, XF443, XE644, XE235, XF387, XG198, Hunter T.7s XL569, XL579, XL572 and XL583.
The postmark is 18 August 1961.
On 6 August 1946, at Airways House in London, the BOAC chairman gave a press conference describing the progress made by the corporation since his previous report at the start of 1946. One element of his statement went as follows:
“The Liberator Return Ferry Service reached its 2,000th Atlantic crossing in February and is now nearing its 2,500th“.
He also commented that “The first London to New York service opened on July 1“.
This clip has a few sequences of OO-ARE “at work’ in 1961:
http://euscreen.eu/item.html?id=EUS_7CCF2E50DA7D4C5DA1586B32F3C3D37D
In the middle of 1945, a BOAC fleet list was published as of March that year. Here is the extract relating to the Return Ferry Service:
It is some years since I started this thread and since it ended but I’m tidying up a few ‘strands’ that were left hanging.
Having got the AJJ photo and the BLOCKADE RUNNERS book, I proceeded to write up a bit of the story of this particular Lodestar. I also got THE STOCKHOLM RUN book by Nils Mathisrud, which I would recommend. It contains more photographs of this Lodestar which made 83 flights to Stockholm, more than any other aircraft in WWII except three of the Mosquitos; then the Mossies could fit in more than one return service per day, if required. One of the Daks (G-AGFX) got to 82 trips to Stockholm.
Interestingly, not one of the photos of G-AGDD in its wartime colours shows a BOAC ‘Speedbird’ or its name (“Loch Losna”) painted on its nose. Admittedly, some photos don’t show its nose at all but those that do, don’t – as it were. The photos of its sister, G-AGDE, do show both the “Speedbird” logo and its name. If anyone comes across a photo of G-AGDD in camouflage bearing the BOAC logo and/or the aircraft name, please do let us know.
I have also tried to find photographs of this aircraft at the time when it was owned by either Trio Concerts or Ashes & Sand but failed. I did, however, locate some home movie footage showing this aircraft at that period in its life. I think I posted a link to this in another thread. Anyway, by combining two separate frames of 8mm footage, I was able to produce the image below. As one might expect from mid-1960s home movie film stock and cine equipment, the quality is poor but it is something, I suppose: