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  • in reply to: WWII Flights To Lisbon #809502
    ianwoodward9
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    Thank you, farnboroughrob, for the background on CS-TDA. I offer the following re: 110 Wing. It is taken from Phil Lo Bao’s history of BEA and is really all the book says on the subject.

    While this was going on…“, at the start, refers to the preceding paragraph which summarises what was happening at the political level in 1945. The succeeding paragraph notes the Civil Aviation Act coming into effect on 1 August 1946. As of that date, BEA came into being in its own right and inherited twenty-four DC-3 and eight Viking 1A aircraft from BOAC. Technically, they were leased from BOAC at first but BEA progressively came into ownership of them.

    in reply to: WWII Flights To Lisbon #809740
    ianwoodward9
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    Looking for more examples of BOAC Dakotas in WWII markings, I came upon the photograph below in a 1975 issue of AEROPLANE. It is captioned, “a quartet of BOAC Dakota IIIs under overhaul at Croydon in January 1945” but this caption is a bit misleading.

    (1) The Dakota at the rear of the photo still bears its RAF roundels not BOAC’s colours.
    (2) The two that can be identified (G-AGKJ and G-AGKL) are both Dakota IVs, not Dakota IIIs. They were part of a batch of four ex-RAF Dakotas placed on the civil register by BOAC on the same day, namely 7 November 1944. The batch ran from G-AGKI to G-AGKL.

    The registration markings on the wings look very fresh and I think I can see a chalk guideline above the letters “G”,”K” and “L” on the one in the foreground. Is it possible that these are the aforementioned batch of four Dakota IVs in the process of being civilianised?

    in reply to: WWII Flights To Lisbon #809940
    ianwoodward9
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    The style of lettering to which I was referring in the previous post, is clearly shown here in this detail from an IWM photograph of BOAC Dakota G-AGFZ – black lettering outlined in silver:

    in reply to: WWII Flights To Lisbon #809960
    ianwoodward9
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    The photo in the previous post shows three TAP DC-3s: on the left is CS-TDA and on the right is CS-TDC. The one in the middle looks like it could be CS-TDB but that’s not absolutely certain. Maybe, there is someone out there who can identify these three aircraft.

    Anyway, the two on the right are essentially in bare metal finish but CS-TDA, on the left, is not. It was TAP’s first aircraft and still carries its previous ‘warpaint’ but with civil registration letters added – and they are in exactly the same style as the British civil markings worn by the BOAC-KLM DC-3s that visited Lisbon in WWII.

    in reply to: WWII Flights To Lisbon #809965
    ianwoodward9
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    The link you posted has some really interesting content, Mothminor. There are several bits that I may come on to, at a later date perhaps, but, for the moment, let me post this photo and then, in my next post, draw attention to one element of it.

    So here is the photo from Mothminor‘s link – three DC-3s of the Portuguese airline, TAP, on the tarmac at Portela:

    in reply to: WWII Flights To Lisbon #810950
    ianwoodward9
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    The self-same link, “Crash Landings in Portugal during 1942”, that farnboroughrob posted, listed five Airacobras on the same date: 27 December 1942. A month later, FLIGHT published the photo below, indicating that there were, in point of fact, eleven Airacobras and that, rather than crashing, they had run out of fuel. I presume that these are the same incident:

    in reply to: WWII Flights To Lisbon #811639
    ianwoodward9
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    I posed the question simply because the Puss Moth so stood out in that list of belligerent warplanes. Maybe it was indeed just a local civilian aircraft that happened to crash in the country during the time-frame specified, as you suggest. And an incorrect identification is just as likely, as you also suggest. On the other hand, maybe there was something more intriguing behind its inclusion in that list. Wouldn’t it be nice to know?

    in reply to: WWII Flights To Lisbon #811761
    ianwoodward9
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    In the third of the three links posted by farnboroughrob …….

    http://www.warrelics.eu/forum/aviation-history/crash-landings-portugal-during-1942-a-117505/?

    …… there’s a Puss Moth!!! (see 24 June 1942 in the list).

    This is not in the same ‘league’ as the other aircraft listed. Does anyone know the story behind this Puss Moth crash in Portugal in WWII?

    in reply to: WWII Flights To Lisbon #811896
    ianwoodward9
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    Eleven months later, this photograph showed the work completed on the control tower. However, look at the people around the building – exactly the same people in exactly the same positions. This is the same photograph as published the previous year, only doctored!!! A small sign on a trestle has been removed and there may be other slight changes, too.

    in reply to: WWII Flights To Lisbon #811903
    ianwoodward9
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    Portela Airport, Lisbon, was ‘symbolically’ opened on 15 October 1942 but the buildings were not yet finished. This photograph, published in December 1942, shows the terminal building with scaffolding around the control tower (but see the next post):

    in reply to: WWII Flights To Lisbon #811918
    ianwoodward9
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    The Sunderland must be P9623, as you say, farnboroughrob. The date in the link you posted (14 February 1941) fits the date in the news clipping [February 1941] and the place likewise. The location in the link [Tróia] is on the opposite bank of the river from that in the news clipping [Septúbal]. Pretty conclusive, I think. Thanks for your contribution.

    in reply to: WWII Flights To Lisbon #812151
    ianwoodward9
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    A slight change of topic. Earlier in the thread, there was a nice photo of a P-38 impounded by the Portuguese and one of the photos taken at Portela Airport showed a couple of Portuguese Liberators in the background and maybe a couple of Hudsons, too. I think one of the earlier news articles mentioned seeing Blenheims at Portela – were they impounded, I wonder? I’ve also read about 11 Airacobras ending up there on one day (and a twelfth at another airfield, I seem to recall). Someone must have compiled a list of aircraft that fell into Portuguese hands this way. Here’s another – a Sunderland [sorry about the quality but you tend to get this with old news reports]:

    in reply to: WWII Flights To Lisbon #812456
    ianwoodward9
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    There was discussion earlier in this thread about the seating arrangement in a KLM DC-3. This image comes, as I recall, from a pre-WWII KLM timetable and certainly looks like it was taken inside a DC-3. Our Dutch contributors will probably correct me but it came with a caption that went something like, “An empty seat awaits you” or “Ready for you, a vacant seat”. As I understand it, the KLM interiors stayed more or less intact for the Lisbon run.

    in reply to: Papa India – 45 years ago today! #812468
    ianwoodward9
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    in reply to: WWII Flights To Lisbon #812752
    ianwoodward9
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    The DC-3 between the Lodestar and the DC-2 in Posts # 213 and 215 is D-AAIF, formerly owned by the Czech airline CLS.

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