Can the Hawk carry guided ATG munitions, like the AGM-65 perhaps? If not, than I think a better alternative might be the L-159.

didnt the indians manage to sink their only floating dock a year or so ago …

well GD if that rationale suits ur needs, then great for you. though, as far as being secretive is concerned, every country is that to some extent. However, just because some statistics are not given does not imply that the ones made public are incorrect. the way u are argueing would make for a slippery slope. If its ok to give number of hrs per pilot, maybe then give number of hrs by each individual aircraft, or pilot. why not how long each sortie was and what kind of profile was flown etc etc…

anyways, ure right about 2002 and not 2004, thanks for that much.

now ive seen that interview pop up on every instance when PAF’s hrs/pilot are discussed. Do u remember per chance how old that interview was? that particular pilot also did stints in other sqds at that time too if im not correct, including the CCS as an instructor. but anyways, i dont think its rationale to use one pilot’s career as a yard stick for every pilot in PAF. as i mentioned earlier, F-16s flew fewer sorties during the early 90s due to scarsity of spares, however why that would impact hrs on say the mirage fleet, or f-7s? that correlation is hard to draw. but anyways, this is a mute discussion really. if u think u have it right, then rejoice in the knowledge that PAF pilots dont fly as many hrs and perhaps ull sleep better.

as for my site, if u come across PAF related attrition for this year, please do let me know. ill appreciate any updates.

The F-7 serial numbers break off around 9059ish and jump to the 700s, for eg. 93701 onwards to 93731. Similarly, the F-7PGs are 01801 and so forth. 600s are reserved for FT-7s.
As for pics, here are a couple of 90574+ F-7

PS. I apologize if I cant give credit where it is due for the pics. The first one I scanned from a mag, and the last one is from flight international article in Kamra. Im not good at recording original sources, but many are from Pakdef and so forth.

1. 90575
2. 90578
3. 90593
4. 90577

Those who cannot make a simple crankshaft talk of others…

yet u seem utterly obsessed about us.

GA, by your account you just answered yourself.

Im surprised you guys are bothering to debate with GA on an issue most of us have no real inside information about. I dont know what exactly the information minister said, but problems with engine could mean a multitude of things, and does not mean no engine at all. If he really wants to know why the information minister said that, maybe he could write to him and ask him directly.
i think we future we should keep speculation to a minimum and post real news stories and discuss their impact etc etc.
it was not very long ago that fc-1 was an ancient fighter comparable to the mig-15 cause of its wing-fences, and thats after it supposedly was never going to fly to begin with … dont u guys see a pattern here.
GA’s arguments like someone tell me why this person said that, or answer my question before i answer yours are pretty childish, so why bother trying to answer him at all.

I suppose then that the F-16 and JF-17 have enough range to support Pakistan army in its operations. If per your reasoning PAF is not going to attack any forward airbases because during peace time operations, they are not used to house the Mirages or Sukhois, there is no need to attack them, then sure PAF does not need long range fighters. BTW, how many tankers does the IAF has or plan to induct? You make it seem like every IFR capable aircraft getting airborne will be refueling!!! Besides, if IAF is not going to use those bases near the IB, it might be prudent to close them altogether dont you think. Unless ofcourse the very capable BVR equipped Mig-21, that is per your reasoning better than anything PAF can field now, is going to be using them. Perhaps even LCA in the future? Wouldnt it then make sense for PAF to attack those still, or should they not venture into Indian airspace because of the SAM threat altogether?