Stop crying wolf please. Since when does the matter of principle come into play with national security concerns. If it were so, then as per your line of reasoning India should not submit a tender for more Mirage 2000s as they are one of its nuke delivery platforms!!
The only reason India is making noise is because thats what the job of its foreign minister requires, and since no one is really blind to the reality on ground, i doubt the arguments are going to fly anyways.

Yes, Stingers are in PA’s inventory, but in limited numbers. The requirement has since been met with local production of Anza I and II. PAF, PN and some units of PA are also equipped with Mistral as well.

PS, those are gun shot pics of F-86s, not SAM or AAM shots to what the thread relates to.

There is a news piece in Janes regarding re-negotiations between India and France on the purchase of the 10 Mirage 2000H as some parts did not meet contract specification. Does anyone has more information regarding this.

Thanx for the pic PLA. Looks like the Chinese pilot was taken up in the Mirage 3DP for a ride. Do you know when the picture was taken?

I have to say its a lil refreshing to have someone else fight besides Indians and Pakistanis on this forum. Since this thread has pretty much gone down the gutter, here is an idea. How about rate the airforces by how appealing the planes are. I think the Brits have nothing close to the Rafale or the classic lines of Mirage series. They have my vote for sure.

PS On terms of over all capability, I would rate the Turkish Airforce ahead of the RAF even. The Swedes might not have an all offensive airforce either, but I am sure RAF could not attain air superiority over them in case of a war either.

Not to distract from the thread (though its already off-topic), I would like to ask Adrian as to when did the PAF lose F-16s to the IAF. Also, has the PAF confirmed these losses, as you say, to make any official claims credible.

Also, what about the serial numbers and crash sites, or alteast airborne video recordings from the Indian side. I am sure they would love to show the world of their success, esp after attempting to steal wreckage of the Atlantic shootdown.

As someone else mentioned, it is the type of flying that matters. Looking at overall flying hrs can be misleading. For eg. most airforces have to fly from their bases to designated areas where filght training can take place, thus logging a lot of hours just transitioning to and fro and it does not reflect the training being imparted on the pilots.

As for PAF’s F-16 attrition, Harry I appreciate you using my website as a source, however, I have a lot compiled my list from a lot of varing sources and all are not accurate. In fact I know of some of the crashes being given on incorrect dates. I have just not gotten around updating it. But it is a known fact that around early to mid 90s, both PAF’s F-16s and IAF Mig-29s were grounded for prolonged periods due to share shortages. Flight safetly wise PAF has only lost 2-3 of its F-16s due to mechanical reasons. So if we are trying to which aircraft is safer to fly, we should look at the reasons for the crashes as well and just not overall numbers.