yes, a extremely sad moment for the royal navy
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2 french solutions
6000 tons design, the FREMM

New design of 4000 tons, the FM 400

or german option
6000 tons F125 design

or meko D design

From the beginnng I think for 3 ! in the futur ! ! !:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

Citation:

Ministers ready to cut into nuclear subs fleet

By James Blitz, Jeremy Lemer and George Parker
Published: September 16 2009 03:00 | Last updated: September 16 2009 03:00

The number of submarines in a new fleet designed to carry the UK’s independent nuclear deterrent could be cut from four to three, the defence secretary said -yesterday.

In a sign that ministers are looking at reducing spending on big military programmes, Bob Ainsworth said the government would consider slimming the submarine fleet due to replace the current Vanguard class that carries the Trident-based system.

Mr Ainsworth said the UK would continue to maintain a nuclear deterrent but told Sky News: “If we can provide [the Trident-based system] on sea deterrent with three submarines and not four submarines we will look at that.”

Defence experts have long suggested that the programme could be contracted in this way, even though it might mean the UK no longer operates a “round the clock” deterrent.

Mr Ainsworth’s comments were made as George Osborne, the shadow chancellor, said he would study contracts for defence projects to see how costs could be reduced.

Mr Osborne said he wanted more detail on the terms that the Ministry of Defence agreed with BAE Systems and other companies working on aircraft carriers, the third batch of Eurofighters and the A400M military transport aircraft made by EADS.

Mr Osborne’s team, however, said the shadow chancellor had simply been giving examples of government projects whose details were confidential and not available to an opposition party.

Separately, BAE Systems, Europe’s biggest defence contractor, announced plans to close one site and cut 1,116 jobs as key aircraft manufacturing and upgrade contracts run down over the next few years.

BAE will begin consultations to shut its site in Woodford, Cheshire, which is set to complete its major contract, the MRA4 replacement for the Nimrod maritime reconnaissance fleet, at the end of 2012. Some 630 staff will lose their jobs.

The Nimrod programme initially envisaged making 21 aircraft but the order was cut by almost half, after crippling technical problems caused about £800m of budget overruns.

A further 486 jobs will be lost at Samlesbury, Warton and Farnborough as BAE finishes off contracts on the Tornado and Harrier jets and orders for Spirit Aero-Systems.

The news from the defence sector was not all bad. In a surprise move, the government abandoned plans to cut 125 jobs at missile ranges in the Outer Hebrides, operated by the defence research company Qinetiq, as part of a modernisation programme targeting £40m in cost savings.

link:
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/d844774a-a258-11de-9caa-00144feabdc0.html?nclick_check=1
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Just i thought about how the UKIP party had a defence review that called for a 3rd CVF. Not that they will ever get into power but i just thought that France will still need a 2nd carrier so just maybe we could do a deal in the future of ordering another 2 CVF’s. 1 for France and 1 for the UK. They should be able to be built cheaper as lessons will have been learned during construction. Also the MOD might discover that it is really hard trying to operate 2 CVF’s and that to have 1 on station we need a third one. Or maybe in 10 years time we will see France ordering 2 CVF’s to be built in their yards. Wonder how much the UK could get a third for if they added it to the order for the 2 French ones. Could we get a CVF for £1.2 Billion or less? We would be looking at at least 2016-2024 for construction.
In my eyes to build a CVF 10 years after the previous 2 will help as the CVF out of service dates won’t all come at once. Also should help make sure we can run them for 50 years if the load is spread over 3 instead of 2 ships.

– 1,2 billion £ for the 3rd carrier:D:D:D very too optimistic
– After the amount of problem, of delay, and the sacrifice that the royal navy would be taken (reduced this fleet drastically) for receive there 2 carrier…… a 3rd were a pure dream….really !

K130 is sorta the wrong thing to call. K130 is merely the German variant of Meko A100. The two Meko A100 OPV variants Sentinel and Guardian would be more likely the right thing. Besides, a 20-unit K130 class would cost at least 6-7 billion by itself nowadays – and K130 isn’t multi-role. It’s a single-role ASuW/patrol class. 20 units of Sentinel or Guardian would run more along the lines of 1-3 billion. As for BATRALs… a 40-year-old design that has been out of production for 25 years, and that France will decommission all units of itself until 2014? France is working on a replacement of the BATRALs itself, which would be more appropriate.

I AGREE TOTALLY

guys, seriously
before hoping that the next australian warships were buying from germany or france. Don’t forget the actual world financial crisis and the possibilty to help home industry…The australian shipyard were able to produce light warships.

austal OPV range
http://www.austal.com/index.cfm?objectid=A97D78AA-A0CC-3C8C-D9C4420F5C3ECF8B

austal coastal patrol boat
http://www.austal.com/index.cfm?objectid=8CC1E090-65BF-EBC1-29ACD582B1AE0721

High sea ships
http://www.austal.com/index.cfm?objectid=8CB443B3-65BF-EBC1-2E9AA13F04C0896A
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And what happens when the French play chicken with one of them and it needs to quickly be withdrawn for repairs and replaced. And what about training crews? They can’t be expected to do all their training on a real deterrent patrol.My view pretty much reflects Kev’s.

– Extremely costly to guard a SSBN in nearly reserve/”stand by”
– Some of the actual & futur training were conducted ashore in training center (simulator, ect…)

– and french SSBN were not a chicken:rolleyes:

guys,
any view or drawing of this futur project ?