Well, they did up the thrust about a thousand pounds, the turbine will take it, its got newer tech than the F119.
Gotta admit, the Kaveri is a pretty big step. There’s a big difference to maintaining your engines, even producing spares for an existing engine design to designing, testing and manufacturing a modern combat engine. To go from zero to late 80’s technology is a bit of a jump and i don’t blame them for stumbling. The pics i’ve seen show blisk fan stages…..and it took the west some years to perfect that, the aeromechanical differences between a conventionally bladed disk, with each blade inserted individually and one that’s entirely integral are quite marked. They need better computer modelling, better test facilities and probably more money than they’re willing to spare. Single crystal metallurgy all by itself is hard, not to mention the technology to integrate cooling passages into the blades/vanes and the thermal barrier coatings. It’s a pretty high temp engine, the pressure ratio is pretty modest but heat is heat. When something goes wrong at 15000 rpm, it goes real wrong, real quick. To give a comparision, the F414 engine in the F/A-18E for instance even though it in a sense a new engine design it has a lot of basic design features of the F404, an engine that had its own growing pains. The parts of any fighter aircraft most likely to cause trouble are of course the bits that move…..and a jet engine spins quite briskly indeed.
Not to directly answer but i made a 360 degree animated gif of the F136 engine. But its too big to attach here….bummer. Looks nice though. Posted it on another board so here goes….
It’s tested with a Y inlet configuration that’s nominally equivelent to the real thing. So your guess on installed thrust as compared to bench thrust is as good as mine.
No, but i have a copy of the NATOPS F/A-18E-F flight manual in pdf form if anybody wants to chug through it.
I’ve recently aquired the F/A-18E and F flight manual, if anybody wants it send a pm. It’s far too large for me to attach here.
Heh, a rip off of F-16.net’s Lockheed Martin waranty card.
http://www.f-16.net/index.php?module=pagesetter&func=viewpub&tid=14&pid=1
At least give credit.
Testors did some research into the development of the F-19 model. In some ways it did display low observable properties which even baffled Congress. Since they were not being told of the actual running stealth program they started demanding answers from the Pentagon on why the public can see this model and they can’t see even the existence of the program. As it turned out, Testors got a lot of press over their model, even a videogame based on it was created, it was the most popular flight combat sim of its day. When it was declassified, both the public and Congress alike were shocked at the triangular diamond faceted shape the real aircraft had, and the Testors F-19 model became history.
Couple magazine articles have that information, so does a copy of Airpower Journal.
Airforce Today May 1997 has the quote
“The F-22’s pitch rate is so fast that it is inhibited by a soft stop in the aft movement of the sidestick. Pullling the stick through the stop overrides a limit in pitch acceleration and is considered best for the pilot to be aware the F-22 is going to respond very fast. Lockheed Martin engineers and pilots have named the maximum pitch rate regime “Mongo Mode” in tribute to the horse punching heavy from Blazing Saddles”
Fall 1999 issue of World Airpower Journal has the same quote, both articles (longer in the WAJ) were written by Bill Sweetman. In essense its accessed through the time honored way, but unlike a Cobra for instance, its high pitch transients are under full control, not just by a quirk of aerodynamics to bring it back. A recent F-22 Combined Test Force video showed 200 deg/sec rollrates…..ouch.
In the Raptor, the high pitchrate flight control gain scheme is called “Mongo Mode” after the horsepunching heavy from Blazing Saddles…….having seen its actual pitch and roll rates in recent vids, its eye popping.
Incidentally that Antonov is one of my favorite aircraft, uses Coanda effect exhaust blowing for short takeoff. During the demonstration phase of the new transport aircraft competition in the US which the C-17 resulted the opposing aircraft used a similar approach. The C-17 uses under flap blowing instead. Anybody know which approach was more efficient?
I used to have a Mike Spick book that had the F-15 flight envelope in it….if only…..
I have no idea whether its aero or structural that limits it. Probably aero, the tail is blanketed by the wing whereas the Raptor has extra pitch moment through TV. It’s supersonic maneuverability is compared to the subsonic maneuverability of some current fighters.
The Raptor flight suit is custom for the aircraft, i think it is different to Combat Edge.
http://webs.lanset.com/aeolusaero/Articles/tlss_system_article.htm
The F-22 suit has been tested to 60 thousand.
Sundog, your point about the vectoring system improving roll rate is one that got Over G all in a snit lol. The best book i’ve seen about the Raptor is the AIAA book Advanced Tactical Fighter to F-22 Raptor by Aronstein, Hirschberg and Piccirillo. On page 142 it states
“Roll control was provided by differential movement of the horizontal tail surfaces, flaperons and airlerons. Although thrust vectoring was only used symmetrically, for pitch control the use of thrust vectoring dramatically increased the roll rate capability of the YF-22 especially at lower airspeeds. This was because tv allowed any given pitch condition to be achieved with less horizontal tail deflection, leaving more horizontal tail movement available for roll control.”
Here are a couple of graphs from this book concerning pitch moment with both thrust vectoring off, and on, one is a generic graph, the other shows relative performance between the prototype and an F-16, the test point being at a steady 1G @30k feet, 120KEAS and 24 AoA. Naturally at such a slow speed the F-16 would be very sluggish, especially at such a high altitude. No contest, with and without thrust vectoring the basic airframe has a major advantage in pitch rate.