You might as well add the corporations as another branch of U.S government!
And extremely powerful religious groups!
Thanks ken,
I’ve tried Pprune but not the Lightning pilots. I’ll do that directly.
Doug
I thought FlyPast was dire in the Ken Delve days, full of endless bloody Canberra articles every month π
Yes, and now its endless bloody Spitfires etc every month!
Just had my subscription issue drop through the letterbox with a letter enclosed explaining that CA was being incorporated into Aviation News. Also informed me that I would receive the balance of my subscription (3 copies) as Aviation News plus two further free copies. They also offered an alternative if I did not want AN of Flypast, AFM, Airliner World or Air International. So not all bad news though I will miss Clasic Aircraft in its current form.
I will look forward to seeing the same quality of post war aviation articles as we have seen in Classic Aircraft, in Aviation News from January!
How’s that for optimism!
Posts on other fora seem to indicate that CA is being incorporated into Aviation News. π
This is a joke!!
Air Enthusiast was supposed to be incorporated into Air International……….and never was, ever!
Yes, that (IMHO) is when it all went wrong for “AI”.
But, once AI became “Classic Aircraft”, it was all too similar to Flypast or Aeroplane Monthly.
Paul F
I cannot see how Classic and Flypast were remotely similar! Classic always has a balance between Post war Jets and WW2 and pre war subjects; with the accent on the post war both civil and military. Take a look at the contents of the Flypast December issue, and the November issue of Classic Aircraft. They are poles apart.
I agree that the way forward is for Flypast to try for a balance between the two.
How right you are Graham to mention Air Enthusiast. What a loss that was! and how superbly balanced.
Since starting this thread I’ve enjoyed reading the many different viewpoints put forward by so many people. I still believe that there is a place for a magazine that focuses on the post war period; and, no doubt to the dismay of many; I find the obsession with WW2 subjects to the detriment of the history and developments of the 40 years which followed quite incomprehensible. The interest in modern military aviation is supported by several journals: ‘Air Force Monthly’ and ‘Combat Aircraft’ to name but two. Do they adequately pay their way I wonder?
Here in France we have four magazines ‘Avions’, ‘Aero Journal’, ‘le Fana de L’Aviation’ and ‘Air Fan’. ‘Fana’ and ‘Air Fan’ have a very balanced content which includes subjects from the RAF and USAF and other air forces as well as the ArmΓ©e de L’Air. ‘Avions’ and ‘Aero Journal’ have content which is broadly WW2 and before with some Cold War jet subjects from time to time. All in all a good selection to choose from.
Okay, I’ve wandered off the point a bit; but I do wonder if we can now look forward to a balanced output. Classic Aircraft’s recent V Bomber Special was superb and so was the USAF in the UK ‘Over Here’ special. Their edition dealing with the post war Fleet Air Arm was unique. Are such gems to be lost from us forever as we anticipate yet another Spitfire/ Mosquito/Hurricane/Mustang/ Beaufighter special?
As long as there’s ‘Jets’ there’s hope!
Quote – Where there was once a source of outstanding professional journalism in the monthly journals , contributors seem now to be enthusiastic amateurs, often with no particular talent in that area, and the fall in quality is very evident, leading to the death spiral of falling sales, falling revenue, cheaper paper, less money for contributors.
When everyone is a journalist, nobody is a journalist.
The above may be true to a degree, however, I think it is unfair to the ‘enthusiastic amateurs’ to denigrate their efforts in any magazine publication. For some the subject is often their overriding passion and they sometimes provide information they have unearthed that was previously unknown or unpublished. If it was not for the ‘enthusiastic amateurs’ starting somewhere where would our serious writers and historians be now – how did the likes of Martin Middlebrook, Norman Franks etc hone their skills (who? I can hear the IT generation ask) and where would our historical knowledge of aviation be without them?
Just the thoughts of one ‘enthusiastic amateur’!
I too am at a bit of a loss to understand the denigration of the efforts of the enthusiastic amateur. I have read some remarkably good well researched stories by such people; and some bad, ill researched and lazy work by ‘professionals’.
Please do not generalize.
One goes one arrives! :theaviationhistorian.com
Very interesting, and both Nick Stroud and Mick Oakey have a very good track record. I shall order my copy now!
December issue is the last one.
It looked better when it was at Flambards, looked good (cosmetically at least) at Fairford almost ten years ago, http://www.google.co.uk/imgres?imgurl=http://cdn-www.airliners.net/aviation-photos/photos/6/9/4/0530496.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.airliners.net/photo/UK—Navy/Supermarine-Scimitar-F1/0530496/L/&usg=__VkBD2PB_qMqFVAwtEKp3UjAPHvw=&h=655&w=1024&sz=263&hl=en&start=5&zoom=1&tbnid=zuiHNzTQzMewyM:&tbnh=96&tbnw=150&ei=RuiST5aTFsbi8QORw9jZCQ&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dscimitar%2Bxd332%2Bfairford%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26rlz%3D1G1ACAW_ENUK473%26tbm%3Disch&um=1&itbs=1
Until we get our house in order I don’t think we can really shout about getting one of ‘our’ jets back, Supermarine jets seem to get a bad deal really.
How right you are!
Unfortunately these classic jets don’t get the same attention as the Spitfires etc. Even on this forum some 5 pages and rising because of the possibility of some Spitfires being alive and possibly well in Burma; whereas this Scimitar draws scant attention……………sad really.
I hope the day will dawn when we award the same respect to the champions of our freedom in the Cold War as we give to those of WW2.
What a great drawing!
Sorry I’m a bit late with this……..been on holiday in the south of France, in the Cold and the rain!!
Another user of the RF-101 A and C was the Republic of China Air Force.
Can’t just let a good thread die!
RF-101Cs at Upper Heyford arrived in both natural metal and camouflage
All I can remember at Alconbury in the 1960’s were B66 Destroyers.
The 1st and 30th TRS of the 10th TRW moved to Alconbury with their RB-66s in mid 1959. The other two units of the 10th, the 19th and 42nd TRS went to Bruntingthorpe and Chelveston respectively. Phantoms replaced the RB-66s in the mid 1960s and the three units at Alconbury were the 1st, 30th and 32nd TRS’.
The movements of wings and squadrons were very complicated at this time. In addition to De Gaulles edicts the US was getting increasingly involved in Vietnam.