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http://www.daily.pk/pakistan’s-indigenous-“preadator”-drones-14815/
There is surely more info but hten again you can use Google.
I don’t need a google to tell me an equivlant Predator in making in Pak. When we say something in equivalent to Predator, a lot technological picture creates in front of our eyes. Your given source has next to no information about technological breakthrough for Pakistan which can seriously considered it to be in a same league as Preadator drone. All your source has some information about domestic made drone which happens to be just an UAV and nothing more. When we talk about US drone, it is all about endurance, satellite type mapping of territory under survelliance, C3I etc, but in your source there is nothing anything other then some effort to make a drone. On the top of that, Pakistan is trying to make drone since 2001 when such US drone was very less known especially in UCAV role.
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Well, based on exactly what? As far as I know they left Pakistan alone during their wars and after Russia was beaten in Afghanistan. There is the term Good weather friendship and maybe you should do a Google search on that. About arming its airforce… Just look at what happened with the f16’s and you will understand that it is pretty unfair to handle deals that way.
Pakistan was never alone in any type of war, there were various kinds of countries supporting it to fulfill their interest and US was among them at least since its inception. Regular foriegn Aid in billions isn’t very less known news and it really make US a very dependeble parter to Pakistan. Rather one should finger point to the misdeeds of Pakistan which makes US erred.
Regarding F-16, there was no unfair deal rather unfair breaking of policies by Pakistan which were accompanying F-16 deal.
ZOOMWe heard Pakistan is going to have indigenous Predator cause US is not willing to sell.
Since when Pakistan likely to have indigenous Predator as there is nothing anything that can even come close to current operational Predator in entire world.
Wasn’t there a rumour that US would assist in developing? Those GBU12 are part of the Reaper/Predator. I bet the Hellfire would have been more valuable.
About the numbers. Well, you cannot blaim the Pakistani. They have seen the US walking out when they needed them the most. The most important part of getting US weapons is probably securing spare parts for the moment you need them. We see its biggest neighbour arming up and there is no suprise what a smaller more vulnerable nation does.
US has always stood behind Pakistan in hour of needs especially in arming its airforce fleet to substantial extent, may be Pakistan is expecting US to provide something creadible against India rather then arming itself against SWAT based militants.
ZOOMHonestly speaking, I wasn’t that pretty impressed with the Vayushakti showcase of IAF, since it was more like pleasing attending dignitaries. One can clearly see that all those MKI’s, Jaguars were only dropping the bomb on marked target, that’s it. Although I really enjoyed the night bombing which was very deadly in its appearance. Other then that, Vayushakti was more of the display of Sarang and Surya kiran team and showcasing of something like firecrakers by dispensing flares through various fighter and transport aircraft.
ZOOMso the AN-32 is a dedicated bomber??????
Regards Phil
Well, so far there is no clear cut agenda ever seen in IAF to use AN-32 as a dedicated bomber, but as situation demands IAF won’t find any contridictory for similar purpose. Since An-32s older brother An-12 which also used to form IAF’s squdran part during 60s, 70, and till mid 80’s were configured with similar capability. Living example of such duty was nothing but their extensive use as night bomber during 1971 war against Pakistan to target important Railway yard and much famous targetting of airport in POK. On many occassion, nearly four An-12 were used to take part in such strike with three dedicated strike fleet and one as a command post.
ZOOMyou can see the An-32 dropping bombs in this attached pic which is courtesy of Kakarat on BRF.
Also look at the video of Vayu Shakti 2010 on this blog. At the 1:15 mark the An-32 drops bombs.
Edge, don’t you think MKI’s were likely to be acted as a command post for all other aircraft? since MKI’s wasn’t seen configured with any air to surface ammunitions.
ZOOMWhat kind of a long range SAM system being chosen for Admiral Gorhkov? at the same time, can anybody update me the type of radar complimenting such SAM system
ZOOMThe following news is, in my opinion, a “recipe for disaster”, as it will keep the IAF “addicted” to foreign hardware for an even longer time period :-
India to open talks with Russia on stealth aircraft
After favouring the U.S. for its recent purchases of hi-tech military equipment, India has now turned to Russia, its old supplier, for the next generation fighter aircraft.
PAK FA, Russia’s fifth generation fighter, which boasts of radar evasion characteristics, made its maiden flight only late last month.
India inked an agreement with Russia for jointly developing this aircraft, but the time taken to complete the paperwork meant that 70 per cent of the plane was already developed by the Sukhoi Design Bureau {then how exactly is it “joint development ?”}. Now India has planned to enter the project mid-way. It will discuss the development schedule for the coming years and the number of aircraft it requires with Deputy Prime Minister and Russia’s India point man S.S. Sobyanin when he visits India by the middle of this month, senior government sources said.
Though its force levels are depleting, the Indian Air Force wants to ensure that the replacements are world-class and the best in the region. The 250-plus Sukhoi-30 MKI fighter aircraft to be inducted gradually over the next decade fit the bill, and so will the 126 frontline multi-role fighter aircraft, which India plans to buy and for which six vendors are in the fray.
PAK FA, billed as a competitor to F-22 Raptor, developed by the U.S., is expected go into mass production after at least five years. The striking feature of this aircraft is its stealth characteristics: radars will find it tough to spot it. It will also be able to take off from short airstrips and remain in the air for longer than the current fighters in the inventory of air forces around the world. What has attracted India to the project is the cost factor: it will be a lot cheaper to make {read : licence produce} than F-22.
Besides the talks on the aircraft, the military-technical team accompanying Mr. Sobyanin will hold discussions on more T-90 tanks {arey, aren’t 1000+ faulty T-90s enough already ??}, the naval version of MiG-29, Sukhoi-30 MKI and the multi-role transport aircraft project {after ignoring the indigenous RTA by NAL}, said the sources.
The two sides have agreed on the price for refurbishing the aircraft carrier Gorshkov. Russia is poised to deliver more frigates to the Indian Navy. It will also transfer a nuclear-powered submarine to India by the middle of this year.
Recently India has favoured the U.S. while buying medium and heavy-lift planes and long-range maritime reconnaissance aircraft. U.S. companies are also in the race for several types of helicopters and refuelling planes. But officials say the list of military ventures with Russia is still longer and more varied {a very sad state of affairs. At this rate, indigenization can take a back seat till 2055}.
Reference :-
http://beta.thehindu.com/news/national/article102209.ece
Given delays in various projects especially in the procurements of Admiral Gorhskov and Scorpeane submarine despite paying a handsome sum was more then enough to concerned authorities to wake from their slumber. Despite all this kickbacks and delays, I don’t think any branch of Indian armed forces would be able to meet their schedule target of modernization.
One of the reason for such a popularizing interest in Foriegn hardwares is nothing but our own growing economy which can ensure purchase at excessive price.
ZOOMFirst flight of PAK-FA will certainly going to open some of the most secretive avenues for foriegn nations in the world as far as stealth technology is concerned. At the end of the day both Russia and US are business partner for India, they will look to sell India with much better solution to win over their counterparts.
At this point of time, US must be having a closer observations of PAK-FA and related possibilities that will going to be put in place in overall aerospace market. India is certainly a lucrative market for this competitors and a customer for which affordibility a secondary term as compared to in the past the way Indian were looking to purchase at reduced rates.
If US comes in with something high tech in offering for India in terms of stealth technology, say something in the form of F-35 then there is no way in the world Russians will keep their super sensitive technology a secretive affair.
ZOOMIndia tests rocket booster for heavier satellites
How heavy satellite can be launched through this newly developed rocket boosters?:(
ZOOMFolks,
The more I look at photos and read about the Chinese FC-1 (ie I doubt the Paks had much to do with it, even though it is almost national-religious hysteria in that country about their JF-17 Thunder), I keep thinking that Pakistan, gave China one of their earlier F-16s and said, design something like this only smaller and cheaper to build. Am I having delusions or am I sort of correct?
Jack E. Hammond
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Mate, when any fighter jet join the fleet of a particuler airforce then it often brings a matter of bring proud for having such jet which will defend the sky. Pakistan is only looking to assign the role of its F-16 fleet to their flagship jet JF-17 and hence they often quote JF-17 as their next F-16.
ZOOMI think it is a significant step for a nation to achieve this. The comment of Zhi Feng that it is just noise is stupid. The entire economy of the US will be ruined if China wants to have the cash returned.
This is too mistakable sentence I mean. China’s export and overall International Trade is highly dependent upon US market, at the same time US is already going through economic recession and if according to you China choose to play any spoil sports as you have mentioned above then it will rather become as shooting on your own foot as a lesson for china.
ZOOMI would know how a missile can reach mach 6 flying low. What is low? The add looks more like commercial then something to be used to extract academic data from.
You can feel free to use Google search for that matter.
I have to smile when reading that Pakistan does noit know its fate. Idnian journalism is one special case, isn’t it? 😉
No, I don’t think so. Given Pakistan exhisting volatile economic and Social condition, their theory best accomodate the reality.
ZOOMGiven massive hurdles faced by well established fighter jet makers ability to sell ultra modern jet like Rafale, EF, Gripen etc, in my opinion, it is next to herculen task for Indian Aerospace hub to export Tejas in international market. Even if makers of Tejas looks to export the same after fulfilling IAF’s need, then only it will certainly intensify the price war if not get selected by any foriegn nation.
For a time being, India should offer upgrade package at a competitive prices and bring in its home made avionics and design consultancies in international market.
ZOOMZOOm,
Nice sentences but I find some dubious. Let me take a few.
-the need for non US planes is historical. Mirages (pretty expensive) and Chinese planes were the backbone cause the good weather friendship of the USA has grounded many planes during wartime (when they are really needed cause you do not buy them to make funtrips during peacetime) and even when they feel the need they start manipulating spare parts (hence PAF could not do 100% CAP with f16’s during Kargil). No matter how much PAF has to pay. They will never go for bigger US pie. Hence the reduction of block 52 and search for alternatives like FC20/J10B. I think if they had no Block15 (to be upgraded) there was probably not even the need to go for US plans.
-JF17 is not degraded option but a workhorse which seems to be pretty good for its role. It will have plug and play WVR and BVR (hence some think tht Chinese options are inferior but it is all about using the best and having alternatives for export) for a2a and looking at air launched cruise missiles or guided a2g weapons it will do the job fine. Certainly if it has glass cockpit, IFR, impresasive ECM/ECCM and links with AWACS. And besides that it is produced in Pakistan and surely upgraded over time. Try that with foreign planes. You have seen how much it costs to upgrade your M2kH. But to be honest. We still need to see some pics during operaional time. Which is 5 months away so I am not for making it look better then it might be. Just compare it with F16/F15 in US inventory. Workhorses and not high end F22. And I think if you can see LCA/MRCA as the future workhorse then I think the JF17 would be not inferior by the time you have that implemented.
Even insane one choose to go through your post, he won’t need to worked his neck to see unnecessary attempt to prove my words dubious. Whatever you have laid above seems to have literally nothing to do with my post and add to that you have once again done the mistake of compounding your own irony by adding the point of F-16s.
Because you yourselves added about the need to put something western on J-10 to bring in line with custom made Chinese version of F-16 which won’t let PAF to feel annoyed of not getting enough F-16 during its heydays. But at the end of the day, sanctions during peacetime or war, PAF hasn’t done enough to put itself what it wanted to project itself in subcontinent mainly because of its over obsecssion with western which they even convinently used to put J-10 on backburner or even chinese made J-10 was to much to get it inducted because of lower budget
Oh Yes, there is no need to break so much of sweat about JF-17, I never myself discredited the same in any of my post, may be it has something to do with inability of understanding some essence behind my post.
ZOOMAWACS/AEW&C types of platforms are likely to provide better area/threat coverage than the ground based radars. An AF would get more time to respond to a particular threat, and could respond to it more efficiently. In my opinion, that is a big force multiplier. As for the IFR, I think we all know the advantages.
Untested? It was may be couple of months ago or so when we heard that 12 FC-1/JF-17 (4 flying prototypes + 8 LSP machines) had flown >2,000 sorties. What makes you think it remains untested? Sure the design is not proven…but untested? Take a look at F-16s. USAF had received hundreds and many other countries had ordered these machines in hundreds even before it got to IOC stage. Israel was using it in actual combat even before it received FOC (or was it IOC?). JSF programme has already got considerable committments from various countries. How many times it has flown? Has the design been proven? Are all these countries/AFs lead by idiots?
Having said above, sure PAF has a lot of constraints, both affordability and availability. In the light of these constraints, I think it is rather commendable as to what they have done or are planning to do. Period.
To be frank, Im no longer sure whether you even know the logic of your own arguments. How do you think a brand new design achieves its IOC & FOC? Do you think USAR purchased falcons or USSR purchased flankers or RAF inducted Typhoon or IAF will only induct LCA only after they received their IOC/FOC? PAF went for JF-17 because the fighter is ready for next stage, i.e. becoming operational at squadron level. Once it does, it would take (as is the norm) another couple of years or so before it gets FOC. Same thing happened to falcon, flankers, fulcrum, Gripen, and same will happen to programmes such as LCA and JF-17. Hope it makes sense.
As for J-10, well let me put it to you this way. Just like every other AF, PAF also has its own priorities and initiatives, and has to make do what is available. PAF has various programmes going on at the moment. Their first JF-17 squadron would become operational in another 6 months or so, by which time they would also start receiving their first new F-16s. They have various other things coming too. All this would mean a lot of new logistics, tactics, training and so on. Adding a brand new type, i.e. J-10 would only stretch their already stretched resources. And sure they wanted a more advanced J-10 version than what was available right now. This is why the J-10 purchase went to 2014/15. Let me put it to you in another way. We all know that IAF has been operating at a lower squadron strength (than it is sanctioned for or it want) for a number of years. We know IAF has resources and it can buy from almost anywhere. Do you think HAL couldn’t churn out 25-30 MKI per year? Do you think IAF could not have bought a lot more MKI and quicker had they wanted? But the limiting factor is not how many can be produced rather how many IAF could absorb in a particular time.
Huh! Vikas, you either seems to have either missed the point or looking to change the tune of the subject at hand. Just because I said Untested JF-17, it wasn’t mean to discredit any of his deployment background or design at large. I only doing some comparison between fully certified J-10 and that with the JF-17 which yet to achieve FOC and not deriding JF-17 for any of its means. I had put forward irony or illogical kind of functioning according to which PAF itself no giving due credit to fully certified and potent J-10 which becomes highly viable option to be considered for upgrade without waiting for its improved version. At the same time, J-10 in its current form especially when it first entered the service couple of years back still had a enough room to be considered for upgrade. Instead PAF rather gone for newly born JF-17 which by any means won’t bring a kind of a advantage and challange that J-10 could have bring forth. Hence it clearly indicates that PAF was hit by absence of enough budget.
In the meanwhile, PAF yet to show any competency which can highlight their commanding feat given kind of a mismanagement they have done as far as procurement of farily available and capable means in the form of J-10, because they rather diverted already resource constrainted budget towards luxurious means like Awacs and IFR and rather choose to do criminal level of carefree attitude by letting own airspace vulerable by not going towards potent fighter jets at the cost of IFR and Awacs.
Regarding absorbing particuler assets, yes you are right as far as MKI is concerned, but it doesn’t necessarily applicable to J-10s since PAF hadn’t required to worry about TOT and absorption of large fleet of nearly 230 J-10, rather J-10 only going to form very least amt of PAF’s strenght as far as their numbers are cocerned. If PAF had enough bucks and accordingly gave order two years back, I don’t think Chinese may have find it tough to even supply atleast 60% of the fleet given their ability to churn existing inventory of J-10 and speedy deliverly of the same to PLAAF. If PAF can see JF-17 as a workhorse in test flight level itself as far as their arrival till few years back then I don’t see any reason for diverting same fund towards J-10.
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