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  • in reply to: TFC aircraft #695668
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    in reply to: TFC aircraft #710075
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    Well G-BZNL never came across the pond; last I heard it’s “somewhere on the west coast of the USA”.

    in reply to: Bristol Brigand. #711241
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    There are BT and AVIA files on RH831’s crash in the National Archive. 

    in reply to: Gloster Javelin at Gloucestershire airport #711257
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    Any chance of it being kept indoors?

    Though it only seems like yesterday, when I started my BET at Halton in 1980 there were a number of Javelin wings that we’d use to do repairs on. I’ve come across XH767 a number of times at different places over the years: she needs a caring home.

     

    Over the years I’ve watched the Manston Javelin being scrapped and IIRC the example at Stanmore Park went to South Africa. It would be nice to see one running again at least.

     

    in reply to: A 1:1 scale Westland Whirlwind #711555
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    As I said in my post above – their excuse is one that many museums could hide behind but don’t.

    in reply to: A 1:1 scale Westland Whirlwind #711566
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    By: Prop Strike – 22nd December 2024 at 21:40 

    This year I tried to donate maybe £200.00 of aviation books to a well known museum, and the fellow was very sniffy, and indifferent.

    I had a similar reception from a museum I was attempting to donate several A.P.s to. None were common types and if nothing else I assumed they might be useful trades with other museums. I still have them and they’ll be donated elsewhere.

    in reply to: A 1:1 scale Westland Whirlwind #711567
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    Museums get targeted by thieves. They don’t use it as an excuse.

    in reply to: A 1:1 scale Westland Whirlwind #711793
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    I’d have to agree. In many decades of visiting aircraft museums, they are the only one I know that prohibits cameras. Their excuse is one that all museums could hide behind but don’t. They do themselves a great disservice because I know many people who won’t visit, mainly due to the attitude than anything else.

    in reply to: TIGHAR's last hurrah? #711821
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    I think TIGHAR’s total lack of any output during its existence should make anyone wary of their abilities or motives. It’s a shame that people have been taken in by their promises over the years.

    in reply to: RAF Apprentices Crash In Stolen Aeroplane #712322
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    There was a Thorney Island-based Varsity that was stolen and made it too.

    in reply to: RAF Apprentices Crash In Stolen Aeroplane #712330
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    G-AFBW?:

    Portsmouth Evening News – Tuesday 28 June 1938

    Police Interview Man After Winning King’s Cup Plane Crashes: Another in Hospital

    Police inquiries followed the crashing at Warlingham, Surrey, early today of the Percival Vega Gull monoplane with which Mr. Charles Gardner won the King’s Cup air race. Two men were in the machine. One was injured but the other was unhurt. Police afterwards interviewed the uninjured man and the other was taken to Caterham Hospital.

    The plane, which belongs to a brother of Mr. Gardner, had been left in Mr. Charles Gardner’s hangar, and was taking off from his aerodrome when it crashed into a hedge and was badly damaged.

    Mr. Charles Gardner won the King’s Cup in 1936 and 1937.

    An official at the aerodrome said to a Press Association reporter: “Entrance to the hangar had apparently been gained through a fanlight. Two young men were seated in the plane.”

    An early morning request for a large quantity of petrol at a local garage was described by Mrs Quittenden, wife of fthe proprietor.

    “Two young men woke my husband at about 3 a.m. to-day,” she told a reporter, “and ordered a large quantity of petrol. My husband took drums of petrol in his car to the air field, making several journeys. The men said that they were going for a flight, but did not mention their destination.”

    Portsmouth Evening News – Tuesday 09 August 1938

    TIRED OF LIFE IN R.A.F.

    Boys Steal Plane

    The story of the two R.A.F. apprentices who “tired of life in the Air Force,” attempted to take off in £2,000 monoplane stolen from a private aerodrome, but wrecked the machine when they crashed into a hedge, was told at London Sessions to-day.

    The two boys, Gernald Ernest Nicholson (18), and a Portsmouth boy of 16, of the R.A.F. Camp at Aylesbury, pleaded guilty to charges of breaking and entering an aeroplane hangar at Warlingham, Surrey, and stealing the machine, a Percival Vega Gull, the property of Mr. Richard Exton Gardner, and possessing a sawn-off shotgun.

    Anxious to go Abroad

    Mr. A W. Cockburn, K.C., postponed sentence on Nicholson until next Sessions, and postponed his decision in the case of the Portsmouth boy until later in the day.

    Mr. Vernon Gattie, prosecuting, described how the two boys determined to desert after becoming tired of R.A.F. life. They were anxious to go abroad, and on June 18 left the camp and stopped at the Croydon Airport Hotel.

    Having provided themselves with a sawn-off shotgun and ammunition, they got out the monoplane at the private aerodrome at Warlingham, but it crashed into a hedge just after taking off.

    They were, according to statements, proposing to fly to France. They thought the ammunition might be of some use if they landed in another country.

    Detective Sergeant Wolff said that both boys were being recommended for discharge from the R.A.F.

    Living at Portsmouth

    Questioned by Mr. Derek Curtis Bennett, Det.-Sergt. Wolff said that he understood the Portsmouth boy’s father, who was a Lieutenant in the Navy, had been away on service abroad for five years.

    Mr. Curtis Bennett: Did the boy run away because his mother was living with another man?

    Sergt. Wolff: Yes.

    Counsel said that the boy was at present living with his grandmother at Portsmouth. His father’s ship was stationed there, and the father was prepared to look after him.
     

    in reply to: TIGHAR's last hurrah? #712340
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    It constantly surprises me that this individual has escaped prosecution. Maybe one day?

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    Tail gone late this afternoon.

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    Saw it today: still reasonably intact; tail and wings off by Friday I hear.

    in reply to: Whatever happened to this Sabre? #713579
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    Duxford auction 84; back to Tom Bracewell in Lancs; sold to Maurice Hovious in Vicksburg, Michigan circa 1985; stored at (Vicksburg? – some locals say “Frankenmuth airport” but there isn’t really one); donated to Frankenmuth VFW.

     

    There is a photo in Michael O’Leary’s book of it in the USA: my assumption is that it was photographed whilst with Hovious’ Hov-Aire company at Vicksburg. They were restorers of Ford Tri-Motors so likely more on the classic aircraft photographer’s itinerary than “Frankenmuth airport” (which just seems to be a farm strip).

     

    Hovious had apparently recovered a number of aircraft worldwide, so that part makes sense.

     

    There has been a recent discussion of this aircraft on Air Britain Exchange and it’s been a case of adding up the parts and comparing photos. The visible repaired damage on the Frankenmuth Sabre is exactly the same as the damage repairs made to ‘TBF after it was hoisted into position at Blackpool in 1970. I saw it at Much Hoole in 1985 and can confirm. It’s very distinctive and I noted in back in 1985 and only later understood what the repairs were for.

     

    It would be lovely to think that it might one day make its way back to the UK and be restored properly for indoor display…It was very complete when I saw it, but apparently kids used to play in it while it was stored with Hovious, so I imagine its instruments have long gone now.

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