Your wish has been granted! http://forum.keypublishing.com/showthread.php?137288-Aeroplane-Monthly-January-issue-Soviet-military-aviation-special!
…and people have been saying that Aeroplane’s been getting better?
I would love to see the front cover of the January 2016 issue, but it has still not arrived in the post. As a subscriber, I find that when publication dates are changed, the first couple of issues always arrive after the shops get theirs. AND, I know it is coming up to that well known extravaganza called Christmas, and the postmen are doubled over with extra heavy sacks, but I do wish the publishers would leave things alone. If it ain’t broke……….!!
Plus of course, if it really is the January 2016 issue you’re waiting for, isn’t it a month early? (I am aware of this daft situation – but why is it so?)
Like this?
No – not this: those CG ‘dogfight’ illustrations.
A few of G-AMPO before, during and after, at Lyneham:
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chaz #68, sabrejet #69. These lists are selective, quantities inconsistent with inventory identified in Type literature by Serial Number. Where in FY54 are France’s Bearcats, Invaders, Corsairs, in FY57 Privateers; why do FY57 Hunters rise from 312, 30/9/56 to 537 30/3/57, and drop to 0 30/6/57? What France had from MSP in FY57 was not 218 MD452 but 223 MD454 Mystere IVA, and they did not drop to 0 in 9/57.
UK inventory: #68: we had 52 P2V which matches 51 in FY53 (we lost some); we had 84, not 56 B-29 (+3 ELINTs, call them the 3 RB-29). 430, not 421 F-86E set off for RAF, but some were lost en route: but 370 of the airframes were funded under the UK/Canada Mutual Defence Agreement (RT Wakelam, Cold War Fighters, UBCP, 2012, P.90); only their GE engines were funded by MSP, so why are they in this list at all? Where in FY53 are the 100 TBM-3C/E, 50 AD-4W, 20 Hiller H.T.1, 25 HRS-2/HO4S-1 Whirlwind, 59 HO3S-1 Dragonfly?
Pres.Truman signed the Mutual Defense Assistance Act, 6/10/49, France being early (?first*) beneficiary; UK/US MDA was signed 27/1/50 (70 of the B-29s being first up). Most assets were transferred from extant DoD inventory. MDAP was superseded by 10/10/51 Mutual Support Act, which also subsumed 3/4/48 European Cooperation Act (Marshall Aid), which was intended to rebuild Allies’ economies: so MSP included bespoke-new build and Offshore Procurement. So where in #69 FY57 is the MSP part-funding of….well, almost everything, except only Vulcan/Victor: Gannet, Seamew, Sea Hawk, Shackleton, Javelin…: I have 367 Hunter F.4/RAF and 31 RDan.AF? Other MSP Offshore end-items included 117 Aquilon (Sea Venom), new Meteor N.F.11 to RDanAF/France(20/25), ex-RAF examples to RBAF/France(24/16).
MDAP/MSP, which was extended far and wide to US Allies (Noratlas, Mistral, F-86K…) deserves its equivalent of the 3 books I have on Lend/Lease: few aircraft types’ information is constant across all 3, so a patient man is awaited.
(*amended 8/12/15: http://www.nato.int/archives/1st5years/chapters/3.htm says 1st. deliveries were Hellcats onto FN Dixmude in US, 8/3/50).
…hence my comments regarding these lists in Post 69. Great deal of in-depth stuff at TNA however.
Lt Lucien Arsine Amedee (Bernard?): 66 Sqn Camel pilot in Italy at this time. He was Canadian.
Edit: crash refers to 9th May 1918 (Camel B7389): he was slightly injured in a forced landing near Legnago after losing his formation and becoming lost on an OP.
I’d contact the RAF Museum, who will have a copy of his Casualty Card (the A4-sized one, not the smaller index card available on their Vault website).
Service record is also available at the National Archives website.
Now I wonder who do we know with the necessary skills and fund raising capability and who are also looking for a new project? Would certainly provide in the air presence whilst the Mossie is being built. Or even a Classic Air Force Mk2!:D.
Seconded!
Have you tried Classic Wings magazine from New Zealand? Top quality writing, amazing paper, photography and printing. It’s not that big but it leaves you wanting more of the same unlike the current state of FP. I find Classic Wings very similar outlook to early-mid period Warbirds Worldwide before it lost its way and just became “Mustangs Monthly” and a vehicle for advertising the venture of one of its sponsors…
Oh and there’s none of that overprinting or lines of computer graphic rivets messing up the pages! It’s a magazine by enthusiasts for enthusiasts with hardly any repetition of news articles from over here.
Personally I am enjoying the resurgence of Aeroplane under Ben’s leadership. The paper is better than the Izal stuff being used by the previous publisher but we are never going to see the quality that Aircraft Illustrated used to have again. The magazine went right down the toilet under the previous man at the helm and everyone I know in the warbird community had stopped buying it as a result. The mix of civil and military has improved and there are no endless articles on BBMF or Guy Gibson…
Flypast need to get a grip of quality control as the page design layout is a total mess, difficult to read and the product of some art director trying to sensationalise the content of the articles. The material should be able to stand on it’s own without the need for rivets and bullet holes across the text. And don’t get me started on those hideous computer graphic representations of Beaufighters etc. The covers of Airfix boxes 40 years ago were more realistic and I know because I was making those models!
Roobarb,
I have several issues of CW from some years ago (used to be CW Down Under?) and I liked it a great deal. I must get round to placing a subscription.
And I’d forgotten about those ‘CGI’ images in FP: another sign of dumbing-down, and an attempt to do it on the cheap I feel.
I still buy both having read Flypast from issue 1. I think a big issue is that these traditional magazines are now also competing with the internet and the large flow of information that can be had constantly from forums such as this. I continue to buy magazines because they are convenient to read on the train commute to work, have glossy high quality photography and still have good in depth articles. They supplement my internet use and I feel I get much more information overall then I did 30 years ago. I think people should reflect how fortunate they are these days……
Oh yes – fortunate not to have quality magazines like Warbirds Worldwide.
Here is a page from one of the reports. I now believe they are tablets of stone, note the United Kingdom total
I have these reports too, but they are not MDAP-specific documents (USAF Statistical Digest – IIRC they cover all USAF annual reporting, not just MDAP and thus are considerably redacted). They also don’t cover negotiations on aircraft which didn’t eventually receive Gift Aid. As I mentioned, you’d need a good trawl through TNA to finally confirm that Valiants were never under discussion.
Edit: this one from FY 1957 is more telling: it shows Hunters and Mysteres among indigenous MAP-funded types, but nothing non-US in ‘bombers’.
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Many thanks for this. But I have official sources from America and accounts of the USAF on an annual basis. There is still nothing I have found that supports this view. I wonder what budget they are talking about because the MDAP budget says nothing about this at all. Maybe Mutual Assistance Program was different from Mutual Defence Assistance Program but on checking they are both the same. There is a definition in one of the paragraphs called “Grant Aid” Military aid granted foreign countries under terms of Mutual Defense Assistance appropriation
on a non-reimbursable basis. But there is nothing there and also in Off-shore. nothing there.
My source is USAF Summaries for 1945-2005, thousands of pages, nothing there
If there is anything in the UK on this, it will be at The National Archives. However on looking through many files on MAP/MDAP Sabres over the years at TNA, though I did come across references to Hunters etc, (and indeed MAP-funded Spey-engined F-105K proposals and sale of same to Iran!), there was not a jot on Valiants.
Thus I suspect this is yet another case of incorrect information being repeatedly plagiarised into fact!
I can’t add much to what TonyT has already said.
But two specific items which might help would be better-quality paper, and more in-depth coverage of the ‘Database’ than the current version: these sections used to list survivors for a start: OK that’s difficult when it comes to types which have hundreds of extant airframes, but it doesn’t excuse its omission for all. And I know that cost will be an issue, but currently it means we have two very similar, cheap magazines.
Other than that I just feel that the major articles are a bit predictable. Sorry to be so negative because I did used to really look forward to reading Aeroplane.
I heard the same thing : static restoration only. If I remember correctly, the MAPS Air Museum doesn’t look to have airworthy planes at all.
It doesn’t, but they do some pretty impressive restorations that would put many a UK museum to shame. Their F-86L is a case in point: they started with something very ratty and many hours of skill and devotion later ended up with one of the best Dogs out there.
I must admit I’ve been checking the post for the last week as it would normally have been here by now but if they are introducing a “gap” from Flypast that makes sense. After 2 weeks I’m ready for another magazine 🙂
Well I just picked up a couple-month old issue of Flypast and was done in 30 minutes, so I’m impressed that you somehow got 2 weeks out of the magazine.
‘My’ issue contained a couple of nice articles, sadly not particularly in-depth, but all spoilt by sloppy production, poor-quality paper and poorly-presented text and articles. Every page seemed to have some kind of background (either colour blocks, text or a photo), and overall its presentation did not make it look like something one would want to read. I know it’s been like that for some time, and I know there will be an argument for appealing to mass-market sales, but that would be missing the point.
Compare with many other magazines around (the unsurpassed Automobil Sport from Germany being a very prominent example – though obviously not aviation-related, and closer to home (and aviation-related) the gorgeous production standards of the Cross & Cockade Journal being two very good examples) and it’s obvious that ‘quality’ can be done in a news stand magazine. So it seems we still have a massive hole in the UK market for a quality, global historic aviation magazine.
Sadly I now put Aeroplane in the ‘trash mag’ category, which is a shame.
‘Packe’ is possibly t/Capt EA Packe, a flight commander with 32 Sqn. However I have no record of him making any claims.
No record of any RFC (or WW1 RAF) Majors by this name.
Does the squadron tie in?