Oh bugger, what bloody sad news.
I think this cowling fastener is Hurricane. Does anyone have any of these please….?
Hi Oracal,
Thanks for the lead – I’ll have a mooch around and see what can be found.
Thanks Again.
There is a similar issue with DH engines. DH engine parts obviously have DH part numbers. However, many parts made for the MOD have totally different suppliers Part Numbers – and different batches – for the same part – can have differnt Part Numbers. Thus – for an identical part – you could have one with a DH PN, then several – all with different PN’s from suppliers. For this reason – a book, let’s just call it a Parts Number Translator was produced. I’ve met several people who have seen these in the past – but have yet to find a copy….! If anyone know the whereabouts of a copy – please let me know…!
Hi folks – I’m after a legible copy of the De Havilland Propeller Component interchangeability Chart – as shown in the accompany advert below. Does anyone have an info’ on this by any chance….?
It’s the upper section on the HS-pattern DH Bracket-Type airscrews that I’m specifically interested in – the 1000-Series to be more specific.
@Mark_Pilkington ;-
Although the Q30 & Q70 etc were designed during the war, they didn’t hit the market until after the war, so for your purposes – there is an absolutely clear line in the sand there. Also, the Q30 & Q70 etc, whilst sharing a basic layout with the QII – and indeed – sharing exactly the same engine mounting points, these engine were a whole new design – no commonality whatsoever. Heavier, more robust, and with much more facilities to run accessories. However – all they actually shared were a few nuts and washers.
Back to the pre-war engines ;-
Broadly-speaking, production of the QIII & QII were driven by production of the Rapide/Dominie*** and the Proctor respectively. All marks of Proctor Mk’s I – to IV were driven by QII fitted with a PD30, with the exception of some early MkI’s that probably had SII’s fitted.
I don’t know much about the Rapide/Dominies, but just to confuse things, Impressed Rapides were referred to as Dominies – as well as the actual military production.
The prototype Proctor MkI, serial number P5998, first flew on 8 October 1939 from Luton Airport, and the type was put into production for the RAF and Fleet Air Arm.
I always used to presume that Queen III & Queen II production was all wartime. However, I now strongly suspect that they were ordered and went into production during the re-armament rush in the late 1930’s – in order to be able to be ready in time for the war. Some more research is clearly needed to clarify dates when production commenced. As I mentioned previously, there was full production data available on CD’s a few years ago.
*** ;- A few Dominies ( DH89A – Series Four I think….) were – and still are, fitted with QII & PD30’s – (A rather a pointless added complexity & weight for an a/c with a relatively narrow speed-range.).
DH Gipsy Minor
– c/n?- Hendon
– c/n? – Museum of Flight
– c/n 80464 – RC Shelley Collection
– c/n? – RRHT Derby
G-AFPN – @ Shobdon.
DH Gipsy Six (Series I)
– c/n? – Science Museum
– c/n 6617 – Shuttleworth Collection
– c/n? 60105 – Shuttleworth Collection
– c/n? 6174 – Mk IF – in Miles Hawk Speed Six G-ADGP (T Buffaloe?)
DH Gipsy Six (Series II)
– c/n ? – Aeroplane Collection:
– c/n 60046 – Midland Air Museum
– c/n 70857 – Rapide G-ADAH (The Aeroplane Collection) Museum of Science & Industry – Manchester
– c/n? – Newark Air Museum
– c/n? – Newark Air Museum
– c/n 4245A – Shuttleworth Collection
G-HEKL’s engine was listed as a QI – but was really just a Six II with the drive gears for the CSU not fitted – since refitted – so it’s a Six II now….
DH Gipsy Six (Series R)
– c/n 6330 – R C Shelley Collection
– c/n 6065 – ex-Miles Hawk Speed Six G-ADOD – Shuttleworth Collection.
The R engine on the stand at Old Warden seems to have somewhat murky provenance.
As I mentioned earlier – I’m unsure as to when they started making QIII & QII – but strongly suspect they can be prewar as production probably started circa 1938/9 – but no idea offhand how to find out for sure. Suggestions….? G-ACSS was mentioned in the thread – but that has QII’s for sure. Most Rapides have Six I or QIII – but a few have PD30’s on QII’s. All Proctors extant have QII’s – there are a number both static and flying. There is a Percival Q6 under rebuild – that has QII’s I think….? Ken Fern’s Comet has QII’s as well. Black Magic has Q30’s.
Some years ago – someone was selling CD’s of all DH Piston production – dates numbers – the lot. Stupidly, I missed acquiring a copy. Does anyone have a copy perchance….?
I ‘m only into the six cylinder engines – primarily Six II & QII, so can’t really comment on the four cylinder engines. Overall, there’s probably at least two or three times the number of engines in the list in storage or on rebuild – six-cylinder wise, I know of around a couple of dozen at least, so there will be many more. Most are static or need a full rebuild at the very least. NOS or usable parts are like Hens Teeth now – and we are having to make new parts to rebuild them.
My mistake then.
Mothminor ;- ‘Also to add to your list there is Moth Minor G-AFPN (Gipsy Minor) which, last I heard, was airworthy at Shobdon.’
I think you’ll find that machine is powered by a Cirrus Minor – probably the last one flying – in the UK at least.
There are way more engines than on that list. Also – are you including the QIII & QII….most of which were wartime production…..? (I think production actually started pre-war…..?).
The Filming was at the old Leicester Aero Club base – RATCLIFFE.
More boat than a/c…!!! 🙂
…oh gawd, more ‘time capsule’ twaddle. Aren’t they the things that kids bury in the school playground…? Yes, lets chuck a pile of sand in the RAFM and plonk it on top like an Airfix diorama…..? Great for the Anorak brigade.
Now I hate to point out the ‘bleedin’ obvious’, but this is an aeroplane – a ‘flying machine’ in the old parlance. The best and most succinct memorial to the efforts of the wartime personnel is to restore it and, preferably fly it. It’s not a dishwasher or a gramophone, it’s an AEROPLANE, not a child’s toy kit. There are enough piles of mouldering junk already cluttering-up museums, this is a basically complete, restorable a/c with an interesting story – I hope it gets onto the flightline to tell it’s story and for everyone to see and appreciate. Let the Anoraks fulminate over their keyboards – and let the real aviation people rebuild it, just as it was in service – and fly it for all to see. Better a living memorial than yet another dead, dusty Dodo.
Doesnt have a place on this forum as far as I am concerned
There are more appropriate sections on the forum for sure. Then again, looking down the list of threads in this section, many of them seem to have pretty tenuous links to ‘history’…!
The inspection stamp looks to be 1932. It’s civil. Too early for a Q6, so take your pick of the rest. It’s too narrow for a Gull.