I am given to understand, that Ken Ward has the front section of a wellington, including the front turret.
As has already been mentioned the advantage with staying on the ground, for an A/C, is that non aero engineers could do the work ;(it doesn’t even need an mot); the thing would have to be literally falling to bits, before your average HSE type would notice. If the wiring has been removed lower spec wiring could be used in all but the most heat sensitve places; screened or shielded wires need not be used. And most contentiously, taxi runs could earn some revenue ,for another try in the future, I don’t think that the two Vulcans are near enough to each other to be regarded as competition for funding at taxi run events.
As much as I would like to see a Vulcan cockpit section at the “fest” ,I’d rather it wasn’t ‘558. I would think that if it isn’t possible to return ‘558 to the air it would still be a worthy cause to get it back to taxiable condition, at least as an objective that would be achievable, by volunteers, these are the people that I feel sorry for (even if the predicted outcome doesn’t come about) as it must be hard for them to carry on with all the negative speculation around (regardless of its accuracy).
I’ve registered with the councils site but can’t find an aplication that relates to the air field ; found several for the museum, an aplication no. would be helpfull.
I was going to suggest you put a before and after shot, as I remember it how it was ; excellent job Roy. The rest of it was available if you want to do the fuselage as well!! Btw, the top secret technique used on the sqn crest for 599, involves laminating the printed graphic, then seperating the laminates and removing the paper ,the ink fuses to the top laminate and is ready for glueing on. This is a PM isn’t it ,oh fiddle now I’ve let the cat out the bag…
Cees. it is several years since I spoke to Stan Grainger (the chap in question) ,I was given to understand that, that was the only one they had , but that is not to say the only one in existance ,( or that since my conversation with him that they have not aquired another).
Speaking to a friend of a friend at the Rolls-Royce heritage trust, He said there was only one crash damaged engine left (over here) and that was excavated from (I believe) Hucknall.
They said 420,000 (whether that was for both days I don’t ); if everybody gave a £1, I think they would have been happy;
I looked out of my window late this afternoon and saw in the distance what appeared to be “Sally B” arriving in the area for the Sunderland airshow. If someone will confirm that the Fort did leave Duxford today, I’ll know I wasn’t seeing things.
Normally I just see stuff on decending, heading towards Newcastle Airport.
Steve
Sally “B” was displaying at the Lowestoft airshow mid afternoon yesterday, and may have gone on to Sunderland
Ben , don’t know much about geography, don’t know much about archaeolgy, don’t know much history, almost everythings a mystery, but what a wonderful world this
could be. (with acknowledgements to Sam Cooke)
Hegels Dialetic eh, I’m sure modern medicines can cure that!!
Btw they wouldn’t let me in the door marked “revisionism in history”, I wonder why…
Ben, I think you can row with someone, AND learn from then as well,as JDK says, if in quantifying your arguement that causes you to re evaluate your thinking then that can’t be a bad thing ;(at least I think thats what he said!). Whilst there have been numerous atrocities committed since ww2 almost invariably they were done so by nations who played litle if no part in the former events, but if you look at the main protagonists i.e Britain (and the empire such as it was), Germany, France, America, Japan, Russia, whilst they aren’t exactly blemish free,(apart from two notables) rules of engagement have been followed, in the main.
Steve P, I think the key word in your post is “IF” ;it was mentioned in the news a few months ago that our govt was unhappy about the amount of school time devoted to teaching pupils about ww2, they thought that too much time was given to this subject. With this attitude in mind how do you see the overall awareness in 2045, given our cultural mixture as a result of imigration from countries of the middle east? If you were to go out on the streets in Londons east end, and ask a hundred people what the Blitz meant to them, you would find that a huge amount of people weren’t in this country even 20 years ago, and the Battle of Britain ,the Blitz ,the bombing of Coventry, rationing etc etc haven’t even been heard of. A friend of mine recently said he thought that “D-day” was Hitlers second attempt at invading England and he’s 40, lived here all his life ,and his parents are from London!!
“Those who don’t learn from history are doomed to commit the mistakes of the past” Not an exact quote but you get the idea.
I’ve seen this picture ,although only as a print, as I remember its a sumers day with the junk in bold and the Lanc and crew just visible , it was either in the Aces high gallery, or else Spitfire art (although the latter site has proved difficult to access recently.
JDK . this is a subject ,that you probably know more about than me, however my basic ethos has always been challenge everthing, and 30 odd years of doing so, leads me to believe, that is the right approach. If you were to look at the plundering of the “pyramids” as an example, and what drove the expeditions to discover and recover such artifacts ,you would probably find that financial gain would top the list then notoriety, followed by a genuine desire to record and display, and subsequently learn from this lost civilisation; I would say that all of the above reasons drive people to recover”artifacts” from more modern history. Thus as a collective mentality we have changed very little in a hundred years; who’s to say that in another hundred anything will be different. If left where they were the ceramics and the precious metals and gems would never deterioate, even if left at the bottom of a loch or else on the side of a mountain, and so a case could be made for leaving some sites untouched (other than the obvious pilfering of exposed sites). Aircraft left in similiar places will not survive, Spitfires are almost exclusively made from Alclad which is a “laminate of aluminium and magnesium,with the magnesium as a central core ,essentially protected by a thin layer of aluminium, as corrosion is basically advanced oxidisation, and there is oxygen in water,(certainly down to depths deeper than found in a loch), you have to say that the enviroment exists for deteriotion to occur. How many wrecks have been totally destroyed by boat anchors dragging through them? quite a few. The other matter for consideration is war graves, these are protected, and rightly so ,but for how long ; its perfectly acceptable to dig up roman centurians, bog dwelling ancient Britons, and indeed people from the victorian age, how much time must elapse before it becomes acceptable to recover war grave material? both the A/C and their occupants; you could argue that, it is that which we leave untouched for future generations.
I still don’t know why we must leave an amount of “artifacts” in situ, to be discovered by future generatons, surely we are living history ourselves, and our lives and our very existance will be raked over and poked at with a pointy trowel in years to come. We are in danger as a generation of losing sight of what the second world war was really like; school children, need to learn more ,not less about ww2 (in the UK there is a move within govt to stop the inclusion of ww2 in the syllabus) , we have discussed many times the polarisation of national types of museums, and if you live in the London area, as a school kid ,you stand a good chance of a trip to Duxford or Hendon ,but what about the extremities of the country, there are still quite a lot of museums (aviation or otherwise) that do not have any aircraft from the ww2 period. If we are confident that technology in the future will be far beyond ours ,let them tackle the deep water wrecks, those in the artic, or the ones that glow in the dark in Russia.