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  • in reply to: Harriers in museums #1426635
    stuart gowans
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    Forgive my ignorance ,but the “cockpit” without a serial in Dave t’s post ,is that the 2 seater that was owned by Everetts?

    in reply to: Blackpool Vulcan (Zombie) #1337613
    stuart gowans
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    If you think the fate of some of these relatively modern A/C is uncertain ,then think about the plight of the Blackburn b2 “cbh”, which I have recently become the custodian of ,since its stint up in the tree ,the reports of its restoration have been greatly exagerated; suffice to say that it is now in a worse state than when it entered “preservation” .It is only 16ft long and can be lifted by a man and a boy ,and yet the previous owner tried to give it to several museums (Duxford included) and they all refused ,one of the conservation heads suggested that it would cost over £100,000 to restore. The point being that the big museums are failing us as well as some individual owners, but if the diminuitive b2 can’t be saved what hope is there for a vulcan

    in reply to: Blackpool Vulcan (Zombie) #1337784
    stuart gowans
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    When I was a director of a small museum several years ago ,we did some market research as to where our vistors actually came from, unsuprisingly it was a 20 mile radius,this is not a study of diehard enthusiasts but the “general public” ;on that basis every museum should have a Vulcan !, and a spitfire and a lanc etc In my opinion there is a certain amount of natural selection as to what ends up in museums ,a sort of Darwinist approach i.e if more Lancs than Halifax’s survived the war was that because they were better, or did they make more , and if that was the case why did they make more was that because they were better? How far do you have to go before you see one of these common place A/C, I have about 30m and I am in Essex, a part of the country that as some would have you believe is littered with museums bristling with important A/C ; one lesson we could learn from this scrapping is that nothing is sacred, and David Burke IS right this won’t be the last to come under trhe axe ,the question should be what will you do about the next one? as an individual will you let it happen and then moan about incessantly, because collectively we could make a difference, IF we rally wanted – and in my experience there is always more money its just that the people with it haven’t been motivated to part with it.

    in reply to: Blackpool Vulcan (Zombie) #1338208
    stuart gowans
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    XL391 , thanks for the link; it would appear that the vulcan is built on a modular principle, or at the very least the wings do come off! The “center section” looks to be about 18ft wide (I’m assuming that the cockpit is about 6ft dia at the rear) but it may also be possible to stand it on edge;either way it doesn’t involve cutting right through the wing root, as I previously thought; although still a mamoth task ,it is at least possible.

    in reply to: Blackpool Vulcan (Zombie) #1338393
    stuart gowans
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    Given the obvious knowledge of many of the contributors to this thread, can I ask the question; can a vulcan be moved by road ? (has it ever been done)I have always been under the impression that the “wings” don’t come off, if that is the case can it be cut near enough to the centerline that it may be transported by road ,and if so can it be reassembled again to take its own weight? I think the point r.e the continued outdoor storage of most Vulcans is valid ,and that periodically some may still be scrapped because of corrosion ;it wont be long until large A/C such as the Vulcan will need an annual inspection to determine whether the airframe is safe, this may well be forced on museums by local authorities or their insurers (public liability) and as a result of that it may be decided to scrap the A/C or else fence that area off from the public. This is not an idle post but an informal feasability study.

    in reply to: Aircraft Cockpit Sections/Instrument Panel Projects #1357554
    stuart gowans
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    Not trying to insult anyone’s efforts here guys, but personally I don’t really see the point in keeping cockpits.

    I think all the individual efforts and dollars/pounds put into saving a few cockpits would be much better spent saving one or two complete airframes, in my opinion. At least if whole airframes are saved there’s a chance in the future they could be returned to the air, where they belong.

    Fine if it’s a starting from scratch replica like the B17 that started this thread or the Stirling replica in Holland. But “killing a plane to save it’s brain” is not good preservation in my book. I know you all differ on this so I’ll shut up now, and await your scorn…

    I would have thought that someone who has put over 3500 individual posts on this web site, would have a greater understanding of aircraft preservation; in England , the M.O.D offers the aircraft out to tender to all the registered scrapmen who ,having all the preservational instincts of a bunch of lemmings, smash the A/C to pieces, it is they who dictate what is saved, and they place a higher value on the cockpit than a wing tip. Then theres the logistical aspect; would you get an ex military jet in your garage? or even in your garden,a cockpit can be transported by car trailer ,a 60ft long buccaneer cannot, the cost of road haulage is hugely expensive and is possibly the single most important factor for small museums to consider. and of course we have the planning system….if your thinking of storing an A/C on farm land or even in your garden.

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