Well done to the winners and everyone, some fantastic and varied photos.
Perhaps we should do something like this every month for a different aircraft? 😉
Don’t think he’s got enough ammo for that!
Cee’s, as you know this forum covers as many types of historic A/C that can be posted on here, but threads don’t generate themselves, and its up to those who are bored with Spitfires to find something equally as interesting to start a thread on; possibly the recent photo comp thread has drawn out of the closet (ooh er missus) hitherto reluctant fans of the aforementioned breed, but it could just be the thought of getting something for nothing that has stirred them up!
An interesting discussion!
I’m no expert on these things, but it seems like RX168 has more substantial remains than several Spitfires that have been restored to fly, and there are definite precedents to aircraft retaining identities despite the fuselage being replaced. A prime example of this is W4050, the Mosquito prototype that had the fuselage replaced with that of W4051 when the aircraft suffered a fractured fuselage.
It just seems (to me) to be a bit of a shame to take an aircraft which has substantial remains and disperse them. I believe this has happened in the past and has reduced the amount of original material available to restorations – an example would be EN224, where if I recall correctly the tail exists attached to ML225.
That said – it’s the owner’s decision, and I can definitely see the reasons for the concern over the ID.
I tend to agree with you , with regard to the amount of original material, to my untrained eyes there is a substantial amount of airframe parts (and engine) attributable to that particular A/C, but as has been said before there may be more of the A/C out there, and an identity challenge could take place; add to that, the fact that that engines are changed routinely and (to a lesser extent) empenage and wings also.
Having seen a suspiciously similar pile of tangled metal on the tele, I can only say !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! to the first line!
Is that a Ferguson potato ridger next to the acrobat in the background?
Adrian
Yep looks like a ridger to me ,and a set of Cambridge rolls behind; god I love these Spitfire threads, don’t you?
This “restoration” was originally planned as a Hurricane prototype replica, complete with 2 blade prop, so would presumably have had a fabric covered wing.
I may be wrong, but there will probably be other A/C cockpits on display as well, so the Sea Hawk (s) are as welcome as they were in years past!
Whats worse, is he looks even older!!
Sad news on any day, made especially poignant because of todays date.
The BBC now saying not a 109 , but confirm a ww2 fighter has crashed, (off airfield)
Just to put the importation of engines into some perspective, I very nearly bought a Griffon from the states,the cost of freight was less than £500- (about 5 years ago) ; there are a suprisingly large amount of griffons over there,(the one I was after was £1500-!) and even more merlins, and of course they may have the odd Wright cyclone or Pratt and Whitney (Houston) as well (all above ground)
This Mossie fuselage is an excellent project with a few flaws; “the man who never made a mistake, never made anything” no the canopy isn’t right , and no the first time I saw it, I didn’t notice either!
Not that my advice is actually needed (but when did that stop me) a large improvement could be made by (a) bringing the side glazing bars down a touch, and (b) raising the fuselage sides (in the same location) up slightly, neither jobs would be time consuming.
When building replicas, these problems are out there for all of us (as my scrap bin will bear testiment to) even manufacturers drawings don’t tell the whole story, and there is nothing like having a part to copy, but not that many Mossie canopies out there.
Theres a nice story r.e a control caravan, on Robert Truemans Control towers website, the guy towing said caravan, decided to give his jeep some stick , and the pot bellied stove inside (and still alight) fell over, and burnt the control caravan down to the ground!
A very good friend of mine witnessed a complete Airspeed Oxford being buried at RAF Worksop circa late 1940’s early1950’s!!!
While Iam at it don’t forget that RR disposed of great numbers of Merlin engines down a number of mineshafts around Derbyshire.
And I almost forgot the cut up TSR 2’s and jigs in a S Yorks quarry.
And Merlins or something equally interesting down mineshafts in cornwall.
Crated up then buried Merlins (several) at Southend airport, recently dug up in good condition, but no one knows who, or where they are.
Its possible that the “cockpit green” was a primer in itself.