Great thread which I also enjoy following.Due to distance I only come to Duxford once each year but that visit is always enhanced by the knowledge gained from following this thread 🙂
I hope the banned 3 will be invited back here in the future and its great to read such positive attitudes from the mods.
I appreciate Key´s taking legal threats seriously and most of us here would expect most Spitfire owners/operators would be supportive of the 3 and the forum with those making legal threats unlikely to gain any friends from acquiring a litigious reputation within the warbird community . From my experiences on non aviation forums perhaps Key should take this forum out of the public domain and make it approved members only access – more and more forums are going members-only to protect content and photographs with the added benefits of postings becoming private conversations rather than published content.
besides his fantastic museum and aviation restorations its not just the aviation side of things he excelles at.. i see him through the Facebook thingy. Every day he takes the effort to posts pictures (they often include his now famous left hand :rolleyes: ) and includes a small write up of what he has been up to or going to do. he goes on to acknowledge just about every question or comment thrown at him. If for that alone you have to give credit to the guy..
all i want to do on an evening is to chill out and not answer loadsa questions from every corner of the globe.. :confused:
I agree, no other collector in the world is so accessable and no other collector gives such amazing access to his collection.If only some of the secretive European collectors were so open minded to the whole community that loves warbirds.Sad to see some members here negative.
The original story with around 3 dozen at 2 locations seems the least fanciful given so many years of rumour and clusters of MkXIV serials exported through India with no service records beyond 1945 in the excellent Morgan and Shacklady book.And perhaps some lightly used redundant MkVIII were crated and buried as too good to scrap…….but perhaps the Korea suggestions are a red herring……
More details in that article, 124 Spitfires buried, all being unassembled still in their original crates.Are there 124 MkXIV serials exported to the Far East but never used by Squadrons? Was there really ever any intention to give these to post war Korea? Perhaps there are some unused MkVIII serials too that could be part of this 124 buried at 5 locations by the Americans for Mountbatten……..
Had Churchill offered the British people the same free Health Service that Labour delivered then the Conservatives could have won the 1945 election,no health service in their manifesto guaranteed they would lose.
Dresden was fair target given the V1s and V2s raining down on London,the Germans were attacking purely civilian targets from the very first V1 launch as they also did during the Blitz.Whether or not Churchill personally ordered it is only relevant if he did order it but denied ordering it -perhaps those who pointed the finger at Churchill were less than honest,the truth may one day become known.
Certainly postwar all servicemen were treated with less than the returning heroes laurels they deserved,partly because the country was bankrupt and partly because almost everyone wanted to try to forget the war and have some kind of normal peaceful life.
Over the past 70 years perhaps undue attention has been focused upon the Battle of Britain ignoring all the rest of the forces and campaigns except perhaps for the big D day anniversary,so its not just Bomber boys who were ´´betrayed´´
The crew of the submarine wasn’t reqired to ‘know’. They were simply unfortunate witnesses to the fact that the Allies were aware of the sighting at that time and place. Both Churchill and Roosevelt desperately wanted the US in the war. Intelligence had shown that the Japanese might attack at any moment (The US had broken the Japanese cyphers.) Had the US forces on Hawaii been alerted, the Japanese fleet would almost certainly have withdrawn. US Isolationists (Prominent amongst whom was Charles Lindberg of course…) may well then have kept the US out of the war for years, with disasterous consequences for the UK, Europe, (the Jews) & the world in general.
As it was the Japanese were spooked when they didn’t find and bomb the US carriers, and cancelled their second attack. This bears out the Churchill and Roosevelts fears.
Instances like this are not things that can be played-out in public. The Japanese hadn’t, technically declared war – (…they didn’t until after the attack anyway, owing to delays in Washington.) and the US forces had lost track of the location of Japanese fleet, even though they were well aware that a conflict might be imminent. If the Allies had have aknowledged the sighting officially, and the Japanese attack was consequently called-off, the US administration would have been politically unable to enter the war. To admit they allowed it to happen would have been absolutely unthinkable.
Incidentally, I started to read this book with utter and complete skepticism, but in fact, there is much evidence contained within, and, on a subject shrouded in the utmost secrecy, it has that ring of truth about it. Even if only half of it is true, it’s a remarkable book. 🙂
The fact that the Americans removed their carriers from Pearl in good time and had a colour newsreel camera set up to record the attack is sufficient evidence to suspect the president was aware of the impending Japanese attack and allowed it to happen at the minimum cost in order to get USA into WW2.Both the president and Churchill were freemasons so order out of chaos would be their strategy……
I came across this picture of an old pick up with 4 large lancaster bomber main wheels and tires installed on it..
http://www.flickr.com/photos/sherlock77/2758713054/sizes/l/in/photostream/
Looks like a very recent photo,I wonder how many more of these tyres the truck owner still has? Maybe worth a call,looks like hes in USA or Canada!
With a complete Beaufighter in the background that doesnt look like the Morrabin one!
Both great movies 🙂 thanks for sharing!
It is NH294 with MK728 behind it.
32 Squadron was based at Petah Tiqva from September 1945 in to 1946.
Struck of charge October 1947.
Mark
so this pair are possible candidates for the pair of struck off RAF Spitfires rebuilt by the Israeli airforce?

Here is another view of the first spinner. I can see the Gannet connection to the 2nd spinner thankyou all 🙂

Here is another view of the first spinner. I can see the Gannet connection to the 2nd spinner thankyou all 🙂
wonderful photos,thankyou for sharing, brings back some memories from before I owned a camera ,especially the LGW and BA shots 🙂
Next there will be some Argentine scrap men coming over to dismantle it.:eek: Hasn’t that happened before? (Top post Baz)
Absolutely spot on. Perhaps somebody here rerading this thread can tip off Flt Lt Wales now so that he can express his interest now in seeing XV409 intact when he arrives?