What’s the odd 100 million here and there in a government budget that can blow literally billions on IT programs that never enter service, a health system that is a perpetual black hole for money, an ID card scheme virtually nobody particularly wants, paying off a semi-permanent underclass not to cause too much trouble etc etc? :confused:

Indonesia could be a great country, it is a wonderful country in most respects with a warm hearted and kind people and access to some good natural resources. However government corruption, an ineffective central authority and problems with ethnic/regional conflict in parts of the archipelago will prevent Indonesia’s development to join the other high growth Asian economies until these problems are sorted out. That’s not being anti-Indonesian or xenophobic, it’s just a fact. I worked for a company that ended up transferring all project management for a few remaining projects in Indonesia to Singapore and decided it wasn’t worth the hassle of bidding for more contracts there when there was lower risk projects elsewhere without all the complications of graft, paying off local officials, dealing with the TNI and the risks of piracy etc. Again that may be sad but it’s also true.

My own view is the UK needs a genuine defence review, not the usual half baked means of slashing spending whilst attempting to do the same, but a fundamental decision on whether the UK retains a self defence force which would require a whole lot less money, or wants to punch above our weight which requires a whole lot more money. The current pathetic attempts to try and do everything but refusing to provide the neccessary funding to do it is the worst possible solution to our defence needs IMO. If we truly want the CVF’s then we also need more frigates and destroyers, a bigger SSN program and more JSF’s than are now being mentioned.

This sort of penis waving argument is usually related to a certain other country in Asia-Pacific, come on guys a wonderful country like Australia is above dumbass “my boats bigger than yours” stupidity.
The Collins class is a superb SSK with huge potential, it also owes an aweful lot to Sweden. However, it is the fact that the RAN have superb training and tactics that is the icing on the cake.
And yes, I also have immense respect for the Japanese boats and think the Japanese ship building industry is the best in the world.

In other words (implied so as to not upset Parlaiment) she is a parts source for the other 2, and who wants to buy a stripped hulk?

Canada.

If you want equations and cycles then buy a thermodynamics text book, it’s not like there’s a shortage of them.