A lot of that is based on urban myths and selective media reporting. And the point remains, would people rather have a tightly regulated industrial safety culture or a return to the days before the early 70’s take off of industrial safety improvement? And doing a RA is hardly hard, for a start once you set up a decent template system you can use these and adjust them as required for any changes for the particular job, and even if you start from scratch using the HSE specimen RA form is not dificult. Everybody does a mental RA for everything they do whether they realise it or not, the regs have just formalised this and left an audit trail. I work in an industry where the internal safe systems of work are extremely tight with permits to work, system failure analysis, job safety analysis etc, way in advance of anything a school teacher would ever have to do or a light changer, and honestly don’t find it to be a big deal, and I’d rather take the time to do the paper work than take a short cut and fry somebody because of a simple hazard that should be identified and neutralised prior to starting the job.
A lot of that is based on urban myths and selective media reporting. And the point remains, would people rather have a tightly regulated industrial safety culture or a return to the days before the early 70’s take off of industrial safety improvement? And doing a RA is hardly hard, for a start once you set up a decent template system you can use these and adjust them as required for any changes for the particular job, and even if you start from scratch using the HSE specimen RA form is not dificult. Everybody does a mental RA for everything they do whether they realise it or not, the regs have just formalised this and left an audit trail. I work in an industry where the internal safe systems of work are extremely tight with permits to work, system failure analysis, job safety analysis etc, way in advance of anything a school teacher would ever have to do or a light changer, and honestly don’t find it to be a big deal, and I’d rather take the time to do the paper work than take a short cut and fry somebody because of a simple hazard that should be identified and neutralised prior to starting the job.
Why? To the best of my knowlege the dock unions are a spent force, with many terminals union free zones, and the days of disruptive militant dockers are well in the past in major UK ports. About whether it is viable, obviously it is not a panacea and is of limited application, but there are certainly bulk cargo flows that would be suitable for coastal shipping. And there should be sensible management of import points, for example what is the logic of offloading coal in Scotland to ship to Yorkshire power stations by rail rather than offloading in a port on the Humber (I’ll leave the more obvious point on a country with centuries of coal reserves importing huge shipments of coal)? Or why use Peterhead as a offshore base when everything was transported by road from Aberdeen which has it’s own port, and if they had to use Peterhead then why send 1000’s of road wagons on the road between Aberdeen and Peterhead that could easily go in a small coastal tanker? The UK’s roads are a disater area but there is little being done to make rail more attractive, for example Maersk (amongst others) send 1000’s of containers on roads that could be carried by container train for the bulk of their journey with road shipment to the final point of destination, and rail pricing is absurd and makes road much more attractive despite the governments constant carping on of wanting to move traffic of roads. I worked in a plant less than two miles from a rail head, yet we brought in bulk liquids by road as the costs of extending the rail head are prohibitive and the red tape is more trouble than it’s worth. Basically the treasury is skimming £££££££££££££££££££’s from fuel and road related taxation and I really see little evidence of this money being used for anything useful anywhere other than vanishing into the black hole of government expenditure. UK transport policy is a disgrace.
Coastal shipping has been touted as part of the solution to road congestion in the UK for years, but the road lobby is strong and despite high profile statements to the contrarary there seems little real political will to really end our dependence on roads. Sad.
Interesting, the machinery fit will need a high pressure, high evaporation rate boiler.
Britain has some of the worst printed media in the world (the infamous “The Sun” tabloid is a national embarrassment IMO) but if sleazy journalists and dumbass newspapers are the price of freedom of expression then it’s a small price I think. When you look at the degree of self criticism and political accountability in countries like the UK, USA, France, Germany, Australia etc. and then look at some of the state controlled media it’s a shocking comparison. Then it’s hardly surprising we see so much xenophobia, racism and nationalist rhetoric. Sad really.
Politically, once building work starts it’ll be very hard to make a split and there will be a lot of pressure on both countries to stay with the program, even given the structure of the deal.
On another note, does anybody know what catapults the French version will use? Will they use an Emcat? If they use steam catapults it’ll mean fitting steam plant to the design, which will be a significant change to the machinery fit and could have implications on other parts of the design.
Let’s look at this from another angle, the UK has one of the best industrial safety records in the world. Now is anybody going to tell me that is a bad thing? We should be proud of our achievements in safety at work, not villifying the HSE and other agencies that were a huge part of bringing this happy state about. Grey Area makes a good comparison with the factories act. I think it’s very easy to look on the past as some halcyon golden era but have people looked at accident statistics, life expectancies etc. in the 19th. and first half of the 20th. centuries?
I’ve worked in hazardous industries all my life, from the air force, via jet engine commissioning and service work and the offshore oil industry to working in the nuclear industry, and I can tell you in all of that (AF excepted as it was then outside much of the regulatory framework, although in practice most guidelines were followed anyway) I’ve had a lot more positive impressions of UK safety law than negative, and having worked around the world I can tell you an aweful lot of people in other countries would love our safety regulations. I have never found safety regs an undue burden, use reasonable risk assessment and good method statements, work plans, system failure analysis etc. and it’s something you can plan into your work with really not that much additional effort. However, it’s much easier to look at examples of people who don’t have proper training in what the regs mean and then printing stories to make safety inspectors, who have saved a hell of a lot of lives, into villains.
Let’s look at this from another angle, the UK has one of the best industrial safety records in the world. Now is anybody going to tell me that is a bad thing? We should be proud of our achievements in safety at work, not villifying the HSE and other agencies that were a huge part of bringing this happy state about. Grey Area makes a good comparison with the factories act. I think it’s very easy to look on the past as some halcyon golden era but have people looked at accident statistics, life expectancies etc. in the 19th. and first half of the 20th. centuries?
I’ve worked in hazardous industries all my life, from the air force, via jet engine commissioning and service work and the offshore oil industry to working in the nuclear industry, and I can tell you in all of that (AF excepted as it was then outside much of the regulatory framework, although in practice most guidelines were followed anyway) I’ve had a lot more positive impressions of UK safety law than negative, and having worked around the world I can tell you an aweful lot of people in other countries would love our safety regulations. I have never found safety regs an undue burden, use reasonable risk assessment and good method statements, work plans, system failure analysis etc. and it’s something you can plan into your work with really not that much additional effort. However, it’s much easier to look at examples of people who don’t have proper training in what the regs mean and then printing stories to make safety inspectors, who have saved a hell of a lot of lives, into villains.
The market is quite turbulent, a couple of years ago AP Mollers container business (Maersk-Sealand) was barely breaking even and was being subsidised by other parts of the empire to the point where Maersk Supply Service and Maersk Oil-Gas were far more profitable on much, much smaller turnover and capital investment, but when I left it was the container business that was the big money earner, things can change almost overnight. Even then, the container business was generating a lot of cash but when looked at compared to capital tied up and turnover it still wasn’t that impressive. Capacity is a nightmare for all the box carriers I think, but they’re all still falling over themselves to go bigger than anybody else, makes me wonder where it’ll end.
Crew size is a real hot potato, I’ve seen a few studies that suggest the penalties of much higher maintenance requirements and loss of efficiency later in a vessels life outweigh the short term gains of minimum manning, but there are plenty who’d disagree.
Interesting design, I wouldn’t read too much into the lack of web site info, most of the worlds warship builders are trying to get into the stealth market. That said, modern warships are already pretty stealthy, even the RN Type 23’s, early 80’s design, are pretty stealthy.
Still an excellent point defence system, a shame it wasn’t in more widespread use in 1982.
And don’t forget, you’re talking mainly (except Russia) about NATO countries, where you could see some pooling of forces in a crisis with a common foe. So, essentially, in case no US carriers and LHA in theater, there basically 3 + 2 + 1 + 1 = 7 carriers for the European theater (North Atlantic + Med). This sets the nato countries apart from other single carrier operators e.g. Brazil and India.
Maybe true in the cold war (although even there countries acted outside of NATO, such as the UK in 1982) but today it seems NATO is much less relevant and more and more deployments are as part of ops outside NATO (for the UK, Sierra Leone, Afghanistan prior to the NATO involvement, Iraq) and countries need to have freedom to act independently. Given the failure of NATO to manage it’s Afghan deployment it makes you wonder about it’s real value in a post cold war world anyway.
One of the problems is people don’t understand H&S law and so just take the easy way out and pretend the reason they can’t do things is H&S regulation when in reality it is because nobody has bothered to train them properly on applying the regulations. Even the HSE is peeved and sent out a circular on reasonable risk assessment and slammed those hiding behind ignorance of the regulations.
One of the problems is people don’t understand H&S law and so just take the easy way out and pretend the reason they can’t do things is H&S regulation when in reality it is because nobody has bothered to train them properly on applying the regulations. Even the HSE is peeved and sent out a circular on reasonable risk assessment and slammed those hiding behind ignorance of the regulations.