Mike,
I’m not an expert, only a glider pilot trying to understand the how’s and why’s. In a glider, you can feel how well rigged the ailerons are because it turns slightly better in one direction. A perfectly rigged glider is unpredictable in its behaviour. You can fly it co-ordinated, straight and level with the stick fully aft, not a shudder but the slightest gust will make one wing stall and it departs over that wing. The next time, it may as well happen in the other direction.
What we have discussed is entering a turn but there is the matter of sustaining a turn too. If we look at a right-hand tractor:
Entering a turn to the left is easier/quicker because the slipstream and torque act towards the left. When we are in the turn, let’s say over 60° of bank, you need right rudder to keep the nose up and right aileron to not increase the angle of bank. In this case both the rudder and aileron deflection is against the slipstream and torque.
Entering a turn to the right is not as easy/quick but to sustain the right-hand turn, you need left rudder and left aileron deflection which is with the slipstream and torque. This means that you have to use less control input and the aircraft is aerodynamically cleaner with less drag and higher performance.
The above is theoretical and I may be wrong that “aerodynamical cleanness” is a factor. Maybe it would require two identical aircraft, one with a right-hand tractor and the other with a left-hand tractor to notice the differences but if my reasoning is correct, the aircraft with the right-hand tractor should be better at entering a turn to the left but worse at sustaining a turn to the left.
Christer
galdri,
I was following the same line of thought as you did and was planning an attempt at an explanation why the turning characteristics are different in a right-hand turn versus a left-hand turn. From your post:
The key to understanding what happens next, is to realize that European aero engines turn GENERALLY in the opposite way to American engines.
That would be true if you limited the statement to British engines. The Centaurus, the Griffon and the Sabre are left-hand tractors, seen from the rear but the Merlin is a right-hand tractor. (There were engines rotating in the opposite direction but those were intended for twin engined installations.)
Both the BMW 801 and the Jumo 213 are right-hand tractors and if I’m not wrong, the Pratt&Whitney R-2800 is also a right-hand tractor.
To counteract torque on a European engine, you would have to correct by applying LEFT rudder, while to counteract the torque on an American engine, you would have to apply RIGHT rudder.
Isn’t it “slipstream” you are discussing here? The spiralling airflow around the fuselage yaws the aircraft, a right-hand tractor to the left and a left-hand tractor to the right. This effect is counteracted with rudder deflection and more of it the higher the power setting and lower the speed.
Isn’t the torque counteracted by an aileron input in the direction of propeller rotation? The aircraft torque-rolls against the rotation of the propeller. Some aircraft have different pressures in the landing gear oleos to prevent the torque-roll from compressing the left (or right) oleo completely during take-off.
Slipstream and torque work in the same direction, to the left on a right-hand tractor and to the right on a left-hand tractor, which is why the turning characteristics are different in a right-hand turn versus a left-hand turn.
Christer
Dennis,
Everyone should choose a new password that has a combination of letters and numbers.
If I already have a password meeting these criteria, should I still change it? I hate “remembering” new passwords … 😉 … !
Christer
One from coanda – the website url was something about online tramadol!
I too had one from coanda. A member with thousands of posts doesn’t start spamming, I thought and clicked the link. It was PornTube but only a gif image. No malware as far as I have noticed but I’m only a Ghost Image away from recovery if the “you know what” should hit the fan.
Christer
Thanks Mark V!
I have seen a Chipmunk being “shot to life” and I got the impression of a cartridge start in the video but I was wrong.
Christer
The Freshest,
thanks for sharing … 🙂 … I really did enjoy the video!
It raises a question:
How many of the Griffon Spits have the Coffman cartridge starter and how many have been converted to electric? I assume that those modified to take the Griffon 57 have electric starters but have any of the Griffon 65 engined Spits been converted from cartridge starter to electric?
Christer
Interesting to see the different shape of the tips of the front and rear propellers! Also, the different diameter is visible. Thanks for sharing!
Christer
As I understand it, the increase of the approach speed by 5 m.p.h. is to maintain the same margin to the stalling speed. If the factor 1.3 is correct, the difference in stalling speed should be a little less, maybe 4 m.p.h.
I’m a glider pilot and fly the two seat DG-1000S in two versions:
20 m utility version > stalling speed = 73 k.p.h. (~45 m.p.h.)
18 m aerobatic version > stalling speed = 76 k.p.h. (~47 m.p.h.)
There is no perceivable difference in handling and flying qualities near the stall but the DG-1000S has a comparatively low wing loading. (A comparison of span is a substitute for a comparison of wing area or rather wing loading which would be the more appropriate parameter but I don’t have any data on those to hand.)
I’m aware that I’m comparing apples with oranges but a 2 m increase in span giving a 3 k.p.h. (~2 m.p.h.) decrease in stalling speed for the DG-1000S is an indication that a 20 m.p.h. decrease for the Spitfire is too high.
Christer
fitting wingtips makes them more stable on landing & lowers stalling speed by 20mph
I checked the “Pilot’s Notes for Spitfire XIV and XIX” and in the section “Approach and landing” it says
On those aircraft which have clipped wings the speeds above should be increased by 5 m.p.h. (4 knots) I.A.S.
which indicates that the reduction is not 20 mph by fitting the wingtips.
Christer
I think stickies appear at the top of every page because it is hard-wired in the vbulletin board software.
I don’t think so. Check out 12 O’Clock High! which is the same vBulletin version 3.6.4 and it displays the stickies on page 1 only. It must be a board setting.
Christer
If a “mostly lurking” member has a saying: Great! To take it one step further, do the stickies need to be on page 2-3-> also? Doesn’t on page 1 suffice?
Christer
We continue to seek approval to get the Centaurus engine from VR930 across to America for Vintage V12 to overhaul. Chief Engineer Howard Read visited them in November and came away very impressed with their facilities. We almost certainly will need pistons and rings to be manufactured to effect the overhaul.
I’d appreciate some more information on the Centaurus, such as:
What’s the problem getting a Centaurus overhauled and running as reliably as a Griffon or Merlin? (Wasn’t the Centaurus of VR930 rebuilt/overhauled a few years ago?)
Isn’t a Tempest Mk.2 sitting somewhere in the U.K. waiting for its engine … 😮 … and has been for quite some time?
Thanks for your time,
Christer
One factor that often gets left out is that in North America the Merlin was used for many other forms of competition in large quantities…
Hydroplane racing
Tractor pulls
Bonniville Salt Flats
Drag racing
A Merlin on Nitro … :dev2: … ?
Christer
… but after 3 years owning a Standard Libelle I found it a bit like a Ka8,nothing wrong with Ka8’s of course,an outstanding little glider!!
I’ve flown the preceeding “wooden wonder” from Rudi Kaiser and Schleicher, the Ka6Cr and Ka6E. I loved both of them. I don’t remember having flown the K8 but it seemed to be a “step backwards” in terms of performance. Today, it doesn’t matter since I no longer will fit in any of them. I have to fly an ASW27 and an ASW28-18E instead … 🙁 … !
I and a copule of friends visited Schleicher in Poppenhausen a few weeks ago. We flew the ASK-21Mi, the new self launching version with a Diamond Wankel. A nice experience and very easy to handle.
Christer
Konig SD 570 4cyl 2 stroke 32 hp
A 2 stroke engine fires each cylinder on every revolution and I assume that the firing order would be “non-skip”, just fire them one after the other.
Do you know how it is aspirated? Can’t be the “normal” 2 stroke way by crankhouse compression by the downgoing piston, right?
Christer
Edited: It seems like “2 stroke” is the common denominator when it comes to radial engines with an even number of cylinders in each row. I don’t know for sure (have found no description on the web) but I can’t figure out “how else”.