Just remembered – the United Arab Emirates Air Force use private AW139’s for SAR.
Interesting thread.
SAR (H) in Ireland has been fully privatised since circa 2004. Prior to that SAR was shared by the Irish Air Corps’ (IAC) Dauphin’s/Alouette’s/S61N and the Irish Coast Guard’s (ICG) S61N’s.
The ICG helicopters are owned and operated by CHC (previously known as Bond Helicopters?).
(The contract with CHC was renewed last year for a 10 year period).
Personally I would have preferred for the IAC to have retained SAR (H) – or at the very least have a mix of military/civilian pilots and crews operating ICG helicopters. However the powers-that-be went with the fully privatised version – as now also appears to be happening in the UK.
(Incidentially the new IAC AW139’s do have winches in place, but I believe these are only used for ‘fast roping’ training, etc with the Irish Army Ranger Wing and the Garda Emergency Response Unit, and no dedicated SAR training now takes place within the IAC).
Having said all that, the ICG has done an excellent job with it’s SAR (H) remit and actually now covers the whole island of Ireland (which was exemplified by an ICG S61N assisting at the tragic incident in N.I yesterday).
Indeed many ICG pilots and crew are also ex-military – IAC, RAF etc.
I wonder what other countries have privatised SAR (H), and what has their experience being of it?
RIP Sqdn Ldr Cree.
(The Irish Air Corps suffered a similar tragic loss recently when a PC-9 crashed, fatally injuring the two pilots onboard)
Having been ‘dipping’ into the book over the last few weeks, I’m more than impressed with the amount of research the authors have put into it! An excellent read.:)
Well …when I started this topic way back in 2005 I had no idea the interest (and debate!) it would generate …still going strong c.3 years later!!
Brian, with regard to the met reports, I recall reading about this in a Donal MacCarron publication – if memory serves me I believe it was ‘Wings Over Ireland – A History of the Irish Air Corps’. It stated that met information was ‘broadcast (radioed?) freely to the RAF’ …or words to that effect.
As has been said Hungary is a NATO member & is expected to make a contribution. A dozen Gripens is rock-bottom – and is affordable, within the NATO-mandated 2% of GDP on defence (which Hungary doesn’t spend, in common with Canada, Germany, & several other NATO members). It isn’t a deterrent in itself, but part of a collective deterrent.
It’s impossible for Ireland to buy enough fast jets to defend against the UK – but the UK wouldn’t tolerate anyone else invading Ireland. So the Irish have cunningly saved themselves lots of money by not spending anything on defending against invasion, & relying on the UK to not invade (pretty safe bet), & to defend them (with my taxes!) against an invasion by anyone else. It’s worked for 84 years so far.
Ireland has fisheries protection, anti-terrorist forces, & a small, but pretty well-trained, ground force used for UN peacekeeping & to maintain skills in case they’re ever needed at home. IMO, they’ve skimped on only one thing they should really have, & that’s a few planes capable of air policing. A handful of ex-Czech L-159s or similar would be adequate.
Interesting debate here guys!
Re: Ireland aquiring jets……
There are arguments both for and against such a move.
On the one hand some say that even 6-8 jets (L159’s, Hawks..) would be adequate, while others say that such aircraft cannot be used effectively for interdiction (of say, even a jet airliner) and so would offer no great advantage over the current fleet of armed Pilatus PC-9M’s.
Occassionally, IAC PC-9M’s ‘buzz’ low over my town – circa 500ft.
Many thanks, I already have this in the collection. I have just received a letter from the IAC stating ‘they have no immediate plans to reform the Swallows with PC-9s’.
Interesting!
Perhaps a new name will be chosen for the PC-9M team.
Regards,
Panther.
There is some footage of the Irish Air Corps ‘Silver Swallows’ display team in action at the RIAT in 1997 (on the official airshow video?), the last year in which the team flew their Fouga Magister jets.
I’m not aware of any official footage (to date) of their new Pilatus PC-9M display team.
Contact the owner of this site for more info/footage – http://www.irishairpics.com
Hope this helps
Panther.
Aircraft I see over my house ………
Irish Air Corps (IAC) Pilatus PC-9M’s – they have a training area (restricted zone) near my house so I get to see pilots practicing aerobatic manouvers and flying over at high speed. ๐
Also….IAC EC-135’s, Alouettes, CASA CN-235’s, Remis Rockets..
…….and occassionally – IAC Learjet and Gulfstream, and Irish Coast Guard Sea King’s.
Panther.
Hi contrailjj,
Greetings from Ireland!
Interesting topic.
I’m glad to see that you have included the ‘Silver Swallows’ display team in your collection!
You may be interested to know that the Irish Air Corps (IAC) retired their last Fouga Magister in 1998. In the interim they formed an unofficial display team using 4 of their SIAI Marchetti SF260WE’s. It was called (appropriately!) ‘Team Marchetti’.
Both the Marchettis and Magisters have now been replaced by Pilatus PC-9M’s (since last year).
4 x PC-9M’s now form the new IAC display team (as yet not officially named, though rumour has it that the name ‘Silver Swallows’ may be retained).
For more info go to http://www.irishairpics.com
(I’m sure the owner of the site would be glad to provide any info you require).
Keep up the good work!
Panther.
I’m glad to see that this topic has garnered so much interest!
Suffice to say that Ireland was ‘neutral on the side of the allies’ during WWII – end of story.
There was, no doubt, some Irish people who wrongly supported the Nazi (mostly because of anti-UK bitterness), but the majority of Irish people were on the side of the allies – end of story.
Don’t tarnish the majority for the wrongs of a minority.
While the author may have elaborated by calling Rathduff ‘secret’, the fact remains that neutral Ireland was making airfields available to the RAF if required.
Re: The Lough Swilly incident –
I was told about this from an official guide at the Fort Dunree Army Museum (Donegal), when I visited a few years ago. This information is also on display at the museum.
Maple 01 – Give us back our Walrus ! ๐
Things “neutral” Ireland did to help the war effort –
– Allowed the establishment of secret airfields for possible use by RAF aircraft (As stated above. I will post extracts from publications later to confirm this)
– Allowed the UASF an air corridor over Donegal in order that they have a shorter flight path to Northern Ireland.
– RAF and USAF aircraft which crash landed in Ireland were recovered by Irish Air Corps crews (often from mountainsides or in bogland) loaded on to low-loaders, brought to the border, and handed over to RAF/USAF recovery crews.
Many allied aircraft were repaired and allowed to continue their flights to the North or Britain. (In some cases aircraft were purchased from the UK govt for use by the Irish Air Corps).
– Irish Air Corps aircraft did daily ‘weather runs’ and deliberately broadcast their data over a frequency the RAF used. This was most appreciated by the RAF !
– UK ships were allowed stop over in Irish bays (as mentioned above). In one case both a UK ship and a German ship sheltered in Lough Swilly (Co. Donegal) with the knowledge of the Gardaรญ and the Irish Army. Both ships deliberately ignored each other and went their seperate ways when the storm passed.
This is just what comes to my mind just now, I’m sure there is lots more I could find.
The UK authorities deliberately portrayed Ireland as being unco-operative during the war (for their own propoganda reasons!) – This was far from the case in reality.
Cool pics !
I got to see Skyhawks in action when I was in NZ last year !
Unfortunetly, it was only on film at Air Force World (AFW) in Christchurch ๐
But I did see one up close at Ohakea Air Base ! ๐ ……. and sit in the simulator in AFW ๐ฎ ๐