“In all of this Turing had options where he could have taken a different course with maybe different results. None of what I have read indicates that he was treated any differently to anybody else in the same situation”.

Quite so, he may have decided that he was better off at university, and not joined the Bletchley park team, that would have been the right choice for him personally, as his sexual preference, coupled with his top secret work, wouldn’t have caused him to become a security risk, unless of course the Nazis, who by this time had starved the UK into capitulation, (not least because of their successful campaign in the Atlantic) installed a “puppet” govt in their new territory “England”; apparently they were a bit down on homosexuality as well…….

We all have choices, but some times our destiny is in some way pre-ordained, and our destination will always be the same, regardless of the paths we take.

Or even a C119, the beauty of which is that you could get a least two smaller cockpits inside, and with a forum almost entirely populated with retired loadmasters, would present absolutely no logistical problems, and with all personal guarantees of safety in transit, (or any other van) no insurance will be required……

Let me be the first to capitulate and to say yes of course your all right,even those of you that have never done anything like this, and David has greatly impressed with his ability to balance gliders (and the like) on the back of his motor transport.

David, I have come to the conclusion that you just enjoy the argument, I well remember the ding dongs you used to have with your namesake Damien Burke.

“It was never a case where they damaged a couple in the early days as they got used to doing it”!

That statement implies that they weren’t perfect at the job at the begining, if they “got used to doing it”, and I think you are confusing a genuine paint scratch with something that has penetrated the structure, whereas if I loaned an exhibit out and it came back with scratches in the paint, I’m not sure that reasuring me that it was only superficial would carry much weight.

It might be worthwhile pointing out that I don’t have a huge aversion to the loaning out of this, or maybe most other display airframes, I was defending the right of others to hold that opinion, and trying to show that out in the real world things do get damaged, (and repaired) but I now know it was a mistake to try and introduce the real world to this forum!

Stumbled onto this thread from a link from the “what’s wrong with this forum” thread; a couple of the guys, who are involved in projects of their own, (and for other people as well) who move them around to various venues for the benefit of the general public, at no charge, but not inconsiderable cost to themselves, express concerns about the possible damage to the sole surviving Typhoon,and a whole bunch of you descend on them like a ton of bricks, again we see the “dog with a bone” syndrome that defines this forum, I cant be wrong, I wont be wrong, I cant be wrong, I wont be wrong; Which of Thomas the tank engine’s friends used to say that? speaking of trains, does anyone believe that a large loco like the Scotsman, can be moved across the Atlantic, and not suffer a degree of salt water corrosion?

Anyone who thinks something as large as the Tiffy, which must be dismantled for transport will not be damaged at all, is a fool; to cite the movement around the world of artifacts that can be placed in hermetically sealed lead lined boxes, etc, etc as a reason why you should move something that cannot, is pointless, and yes the US did a good job in looking after it; it’s not going to the US though is it?

As J Boyle said, the B24 is a rare bird in the US, perhaps we are returning the favour, in looking after a couple for them?

Even if that were true (which it assuredly is not), over the years you have contributed more meaningful human interest posts than the rest of us put together.

Moggy

Slightly ironic given Kev35’s avatar, but that reminds me of the end scene in “the wizard of oz” where Dorothy turns to scarecrow, and says “I think I’ll miss you most of all”

You are probably right, we do have the choice, and as you say when it comes back around I will stay clear this time; but it’s worth looking at the the figures on that thread, and then you have to ask the question, with the huge amout of replys and even more views, looking from outside the forum, is it really not representative?

Beep…….unexpected item in the cockpit area, please wait for assistance…….