Bruce, is this not exactly how “intelligence” is gathered, dozens of people endlessly looking at dozens of photographs trying to piece together the last few hours/days in order that a better picture of where to look might emerge?
If the MOD knew where to look, a body would already have been recovered.
Closing the canopy on your A/C seems like an automatic reponse for a pilot, who is trained to be responsible for said A/C.
Just my thoughts on the matter, I don’t believe any Bedouin would have bothered to open the canopy (if they knew how), remove and bury the body (if it was inside) and then close the canopy again.
I do believe however that it could have been possible for a small team of German or Allied combatants during WW2 to have done so but then met their own demise before they had reported the find and location. Or maybe it was reported but it was forgotten about at the time as there were more pressing issues at hand, the Desert Air Force Squadrons were in a full blown retreat after all. Maybe they closed the canopy to protect the contents as they thought someone would be along shortly to recover any useful items.
This is all assuming that he was fatally injured in the crash, nobody knows for sure. He may even have been severely injured but alive and taken away with whoever got him out of the cockpit.
Paul
I’m with you on the first, as I too believe it unlikely that anyone other than the pilot would bother to close the canopy, on a largely destroyed A/C.
I believe the biggest danger to pilots (in British fighter A/C) is striking the gunsight,whether that is the case in a P40 I’m not sure.
The harness that I have is new old stock, (and very stiff) the section that goes rearward (to the fuselage) is detachable as it passes through the armour plate, to allow the seat to remove; there are brass ends on the webbing to stop fraying, but in turn make it nigh on impossible to get through the brass “buckles”, cutting the ends off would allow it slide off.
Yes; although the more I look at it the less I see!
If you look at the seat pan in the photo, (post 105) it appears to be the metal end of the harness that bolts through the webbing.
The last photo shows part of the lap strap, they are easily removable.
Why cut the harness to release a body when the clip is the most obvious method ?
To help understand how the harness ended up in the sand it is perhaps helpful to know how it is fixed, many British fighters have the harness fixed to the seat,(frame) with the inertia reel section anchoring it to the fuselage; how is it fixed in the p40, was the seat still in the plane? I can’t remember as this was nearly a year ago.
As I believe were some of the wheel chocks……
It is not quite correct to say that none of the posters “were on site”. For the P-40 qattara was in the team that apparently discovered the wreck, and he certainly is not guilty of “absence of any further posting”. He was, and is, actively involved.
As to the Lancaster, Jackflash’s claims were hardly “accepted at face value”. He indeed disappeared, much to our regret, without answering our questions.
We would very much like to be able to answer your questions about the crews’ remains.
It is hard for me to be certain now (as the thread was pulled) but I believe that qattara was a newbie here, and that his first post was in connection with the P40 , which is what I said“a poster unknown to the forum “
I also thought it was the video posted by the Polish oil workers that started it all off.
Tangmere; (note correct spelling)
“Whilst they may have read about the Lancaster on this forum, the intial post was, I think, a link to newspaper stories on this case”.
is the act of posting a link to an inaccurate source of information, not dissemination of inaccurate information in itself? i.e the article implied the crew had been found.
I’ll let you guys carry on with the witch hunt, as Tangmere (note correct spelling) says, this is more the time to remember the sacrifice these guys made.
Both; I know several people that don’t read newspapers, (ever) that are aware of both of these subjects, they aren’t members of this forum but read it all the same; this forum is where the information they have came from.
Neither of the Planes or crew are on British soil, and none of the posters on either threads were on site.
There was initially confusion with the Lancaster as to how many times it had been dug, as there was confusion with the P40 as to whether it was real or not……
In both instances a poster unknown to the forum appeared claiming first hand knowledge, which was accepted at face value (at first) then because of the absence of any further posting by the newbie poster, unanswered questions started to collect up like uncollected refuse sacks, and the questioning turned on the newbie Poster(s) and the veracity of their claims.
As both of these sagas are on going it is impossible to say exactly what the final conclusion will be; are the bones found Coppings? where are the remains of the Lancaster’s crew?
Suggestions of grave robbing, however are in my view an over reaction to the lack of tangeable fact.
Probably in your eager anticipation of my answer you have misquoted me; someone new to this thread that see’s your “quote” would believe that is what I said, in fact my statement was “the dissemination of inaccurate information”.
I think the answer to you question would be”B”; In the public domain but which subsequently has been established as untrue……
I am in agreement with what you say; I see a parallel with the unfortunate turn of events regarding flt sgt Copping, and wonder whether we, who discuss these things over the internet, are in some way responsible for the dissemination of inaccurate information, (that is picked up by the press, or else family members).
I would echo the sentiments of your last paragraph.
Perhaps no one is prepare to subject themselves to a “forum grilling” ( based on pure speculation) in part by their peers, but also by others, with a heightened sense of self importance; unless I am mistaken no new information has come to light, and “no comment” isn’t an admission of guilt, nor should it be taken as such.
I have no connection with any person involved in this dig, and would voice the stongest condemnation, if I saw actual evidence of what is alledged to have occured, but with witch hunts in the air, I will reserve judgement.
I thought it was only Americans that used whitewalls…..