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  • in reply to: Falklands "What if…?" #1183776
    jualbo
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    It´s exactly as you say. The first trio encountered the ships, received two SAM, of which one hit the Canberra leader in the end of the wing, being damaged but returning home making an emergency landing at Puerto Deseado. All three planes aborted making a wide turn right in order to avoid two air objects seen far away in a NE direction. This first trio took off around 20 minutes before the second trio. I think (not sure but almost 🙂 )the testimony was from captain Nogueira.

    The second trio is intercepted 24 miles from Invincible by Curtiss-Broadwater, who shot one of them down with Sidewinder (González-De Ibáñez). They came in a similar course to the first trio but the escape route was northern.

    Sharkey Ward talked about this interception in his book “Sea Harrier over Falklands, a maverick at war”.

    According to Nogueira words, their target were suposed amphibious landing ships in Berkeley sound. They thought that the ship that fired at them was a Type 42 and was placed in the northern entrance of Falklands Sound. In my opinion he identiffied badly the kind of ship, the distance from them and the location where she was. They probably had any kind of navigation error cause ASW group (Brilliant and Yamouth) were suposed N-NE from East Falkland, so if they sorrounded this group in a right clock turn, they were probably flying northern than they tought or well, ASW group was closer to shore than I actually believe. Carballo has a map in his book that would be very interesting to be seen if anybody can download it here.

    The second trio followed a northern route cause didn´t see any ship and scaped in the same route they came (with no wide turn at all as the first trio).

    The first Canberra flight saw two far air aircrafts but didn´t engage them at all. In fact the presence of these two aircrafts conditioned the scape route.

    Greetings

    in reply to: Falklands "What if…?" #1183971
    jualbo
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    Hi everybody.
    I knew about you thanks to Enrique, and his participation in Zona Militar’s foros.

    There is an incident that hapenned on 1May that involved HMS Brilliant and HMS Yarmouth and a trio of Canberra bombers from the argentinean air force.
    According to David Brown in his book “The Royal Navy and the Falklands war”, the first trio of Canberras (there was a second trio intercepted by Sea Harrier) circled both ships but didn´t attack.

    In Carballo´s book “Halcones sobre Malvinas”, this incident is narrated by a first hand witness, one of the argentinean involved pilots. According to him, while they were flying towards his target, a supposed landing in Anunciacion Bay, they saw a ship just right on his route some kilometers away. They saw two missiles fired by her, the first one passing away and the second hitting the Canberra leader in the extreme of his wing. These launching provocated the abort of the mission, turning left to avoid the danger. Then, they saw two air contatcs so far away that couldn´t sure if were planes or helicopters. Again, they changed their minds and turned right towards the islands to scape from them. I think this is probably the circlying mentioned by Brown. In Carballo´s book there is a map showing this wide 180Âş right turn.

    But Brown doesn´t mention any SAM launching at all. The Canberra leader made an emergency landing at Puerto Deseado airport.
    Anybody knows about this action?
    Were the two air objects Curtiss and Broadwater Sea Harriers?
    Were two of the three reported Sea King that were searching, together Yarmouth and Brilliant, the submarine ARA San Luis?

    Thanks

    Greetings

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