BayarActually its related a lot. The UK was left out of the Airbus future fighter. So in order for them to keep their competitive edge they are transferring technology to others like Turkey and Japan and thereby keeping their engineering teams working. So how successful in terms of exports would the Airbus fighter be when the Japanese and Turks will be pumping out comparable aircraft at cheaper prices?
BayarIt seems like the United Kingdom has just given the middle finger to and undermined the Airbus: European Future Fighter Program by issuing an Open Licence to British Companies that want to transfer any form of military technology to Turkey’s TF-X program. This level of blanket export approval is unprecedented.
https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/631601/17-ogel-tfx.pdf
BayarUS (McGurk): “Idlib has become safe heaven for Al-Qaeda. We will speak with the Turks”
Turkey: “US is becoming very provocative, “McGurk was reminded of both the fact that the root causes enabling terrorist organizations to find footholds in Syria and Iraq could only be eradicated if the deeds and actions of all relevant actors do not contradict one another”
The situation in Syria between the US and Turkey is deteriorating at an alarming rate.
Turkey protests US envoy McGurk’s ‘provocative’ Idlib remarks
DAILY SABAH, ISTANBUL, Published: 15 hours ago
The Turkish foreign ministry said it protested the U.S. special envoy for Global Coalition to counter Daesh, Brett McGurk’s recent “provocative” remarks for making a connection between Turkey and the presence of terror groups in Syria’s Idlib.
Turkish MFA spokesperson Hüseyin Müftüoğlu said Sunday that Turkey’s reactions were directly brought to McGurk’s attention at a high-level demarche and that “his statements, which could be characterized as provocative” were protested.
“McGurk was reminded of both the fact that the root causes enabling terrorist organizations to find footholds in Syria and Iraq could only be eradicated if the deeds and actions of all relevant actors do not contradict one another, and our expectation that the Syria-based terrorist organization PYD/YPG is not supported for whatever the reason may be,” Müftüoğlu said.
Speaking at a panel on Trump’s fight against terrorism in the Middle East Institute in Washington on Friday, McGurk claimed that Idlib has turned into a “safe zone for al-Qaida terrorists on the Turkish border.”
He also attributed the al-Qaida-lined terror group’s power to obtaining weapons and foreign fighter flow, also mentioning that the U.S. intended to work with Turkey to close down the northeastern border to recruited militants.
Turkey, Iran and Russia previously agreed to establish de-escalation zones in Idlib, parts of Aleppo, Latakia and Homs, Damascus/Eastern Ghouta and parts of Daraa and Quneitra.
Presidential spokesman İbrahim Kalın said last month that the Turkish and Russian military could jointly deploy troops in Idlib to ensure security and order in the area.
BayarOh yeah, that’s right, I left Syria out of the countries Turkey has invaded/bullied/threatened/insulted.. I knew I’d forgotten something..
it’s kinda the point I was making..
Have a read of the Treaty of Ankara.
So when the US comes from 20,000 km away and invades a country its policing but when the Turks intervene pursuant to Treaty or the right to self defense its aggression??
I think Turkey hasn’t shown enough how determined it is to not to allow the partitioning of Syria along ethnic/religious lines.
The US under the guise of giving the Kurds the right to self-determination is seeking to divide the entire Middle East along ethnic and sectarian lines. It is not happy with the maps drawn post-WWI and Turkey is the only obstacle in this plan.
P.S Its not propaganda when you respond to slanderous comments about ones country! And this entire thread is political so I don’t understand why some people on here are whining. Perhaps these guys don’t like hearing another version of the events in Syria.
BayarEnough with the entitlement man, the US didn’t f**k up its alliance with Turkey, Turkey did with its Neo ottoman aspirations.
I didn’t see you complain when the US when serving Turkey’s interests. Stop crying now. Turkey is probably the most imperialistic, militaristic country in the world for the last 40 years issuing warnings to all of its neighbours over the years, besides perhaps North Korea. And the only country to illegally occupy with an occupation army another sovereign country which happens to be an EU country as well and the only country to issue a ‘Casus belli’ against another European country.
You’ve had problems (which usually involves some kind of military action) with :
Greece, Cyprus, Egypt, Israel, Russia, Bulgaria, Iran, Iraq.. let me see, did I leave anyone out? and now with the US and Germany too.
Frankly I am surprised the rest of the world is still tolerating this Turkish attitude. Geography has been kind to you, but moderate that entitlement.
You mean the island leased to the Brits then stolen by them after WWI.
The Island Turkey had to intervene in to protect the genocide of the Turkish minority because a junta Government wanted ENOSIS- reunification with Greece?
The Island Turkey intervened in pursuant to a Treaty of Guarantee 1960 giving it express rights to intervene if there was intercommunal fighting?
Occupying an EU member? You mean the Turkish Minority group on the Island VOTED for independence after Turkey prevented a genocide and guaranteed their safety?
Perhaps you can fool someone else but not someone that knows the non-distorted facts.
I posted the above here to show who bck stabbed who and why Turkey is taking the stance it is taking in Syria of late.
THE US JUST ADMITTED TO ARMING A TERRORIST GROUP REBRANDED BY THEM TO USE AS A DESTABILISING FORCE IN SYRIA
Perhaps Turkey should re-brand ISIS, Al QAEDA, AL NUSRA etc and use them against the SDF since its ok to “rebrand” terrorist organisations according to the US.
P.S. Turkey is not the one seeking to carve out Statelets in the Middle East that furthers its interests- the last I checked the US has more than 15 bases in Northern Syria.
BayarHow the US f**ked up its alliance with Turkey. A good lesson on how not to push a NATO ally into Russia’s lap!
“We literally played back to them [the Turks, by re-branding a terrorist organization at our initiative]”
Bayar@JSR, the same way Russia has “protected” Syria? The only thing Russia protects is its interest and bases.
Turkish Airlines can’t exist without Russia? Do you know in which region Turkish Airlines has the most customers? EUROPE
As for Turkey needing protection I don’t think so. Turkey has nuclear sharing treaties with both NATO and Pakistan.
BayarJSR, I think you do not understand how Sunni Islam works and Turkey’s role in the Sunni Islamic world (at the people to people level). Turkey is the only Sunni country that can lay claim to a Sunni Caliphate at any moment and issue Fatwa’s (Islamic Rulings). Why? because the successors to the Ottoman Caliph are still in Turkey. All Turkey has to do is extend legal recognition to him. Now many Arab Heads of State will seek to downplay or not recognize any Turkish Sunni Caliph, however, they know very well that at the people to people level many of their citizens would support such moves.
The global powers know what Turkey could do if and when it plays the religion card.
BayarIts a Airbus Military A400M. Turkey is a consortium partner in the A400M program and produces many parts for this plane.
@JSR To you anyone not subservient to Russia is 2nd tier and technologically not advanced. FYI The Arabs had been under Imperial Ottoman administration for in excess of 600 years.
BayarHave you every thought that Turkey was bullied into abiding by the US agenda in Syria due to pressure?
When President Erdogan came to power and invited President Assad to Ankara relations with Syria were amazing. He was even mediating between Syria and the US. Then the US began to threaten Turkey with internal issues unless he abandoned his soft approach with Syria.
Erdogan did. But then Washinton turned on Erdogan. This is what prompted Erdogan to shift to the East. Beacause with Washington he was dammed if he did and dammed if he didnt.
Could it be that Turkey like Mr. Putin now wants to also weaken NATO in response to the coup attempt?
Bayar@haavarla (my quote buttons have disappeared for some reason)
Turkey-Russia-Iran-Syria (Assad) are all working together in Syria now. Turkey even has back-door communication with President Assad through a guy named Dogu Perincek.
Turkey’s priority is to keep Syria intact and maintain its mixed demographics (rather than its division into ethnic/sectarian groups). Hence, why it is taking moves to counter any Kurdish independence movements in Syria. If the Kurds get independence then the Turkomen will want theirs etc. Russia, Iran and Syria’s objective is also the same. The Turkey-Russia-Iran-Syria (Assad) axis know that Washington/SDF have different plans for Syria. Thus, any agreement between the SDF and SAA or Russia is temporary and for tactical reasons only.
BayarTurkey keeps ferrying reinforcements to Syrian border.
Turkish Tank modernization (40 M60A3, 40 Leopard II A4 and 120 M60T tanks) had commenced in January and should be finished soon. : http://www.defensenews.com/land/2017/01/31/turkey-launches-500-million-tank-upgrade-contest/
BayarI have a feeling both the US and Russia will backstab the SDF after the Rakka Operation. Geo-strategically both Russia and the US will be scrambling to appease get Turkey onboard.
BayarThere is Turkish forum based chatter that Turkey signed the S-400 deal a while back and that President Erdogan only released details of it in response to General Dunford’s comments. Hence why very early delivery dates.
On top of all this some claim that there is a Quid pro quo and that Turkey will be giving something in addition to the $2.5 billion. Perhaps some concessions in Syria. It is also no secret that Turkey will be using the first S-400 systems in Syria (most probably the “Kurdish Corridor”). This in turn means that Turkey is gearing up for a massive show down in Syria. One also notes that Turkey has begun modernizing a large chunk of its tank fleet after it lost numerous Leopard’s and M-60T Sabra’s.
BayarPentagon asks Turkey to explain S-400 co-production deal. President Erdogan rejects US concerns and reiterates that Turkey is sovereign and NATO member Greece has S-300s.
Pentagon: Turkey need to explain its choice of S-400 air defence systems
25 Jul in 9:00
http://vestnikkavkaza.net/news/Pentagon-Turkey-need-to-explain-its-choice-of-S-400-air-defence-systems.htmlPentagon: Turkey need to explain its choice of S-400 air defence systems
The United States wants NATO allies to have the interoperable equipment, and Turkey would need to explain for itself the choice of the Russian S-400 air defence systems, US Department of Defense spokesperson Capt. Jeff Davis said in a briefing on Monday.“Turkey is a NATO ally, and one of the cornerstone things that we like to have with any of our allies…is the ability to have equipment that interoperates,” Sputnik cited Davis as saying.
“The reports of the S-400, and Turkey’s purchase of that, Turkey would need to explain that for itself,” he added.
Turkey Says Purchase of Russian Missiles ‘Not a Concern’ for U.S.
https://themoscowtimes.com/news/turkey-says-russian-missiles-not-a-concern-for-us-58490
July 25, 2017 — 19:37Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan said there is no reason for the United States to worry following reports that Turkey is negotiating the purchase of Russian S-400 air defense systems, the Anadolu news agency reported on Tuesday.
“Why would it be worrying? Every country needs to take certain measures for its own security,” the agency quoted Erdogan as saying.
Erdogan stressed it was important for Turkey to choose a partner for co-production of the S-400 Triumph and added that negotiations on the anti-ballistic missile system were mostly complete.
The Turkish president made the comments a day after the U.S. Joint Chiefs of Staff Chairman, General Joseph Dunford, said that Turkey’s purchase of the Russian air defense system “would be a concern, were they to do that, but they have not done that.”
However, on July 18, Turkish Defense Minister Fikri Isik confirmed that the negotiations regarding Russia’s delivery of S-400 to Turkey have reached the final stage.
“The S-400 solution stems from [Turkey’s] urgent requirement,” Isik said.
Rostec, the Russian company brokering the deal, has also said that Ankara and Moscow agreed on all technical matters.
The S-400 surface-to-air missile system made its debut in 2007. It can track and engage as many as 300 targets simultaneously at an altitude of up to 27 km.
Meanwhile Kremlin says it will not comment as the issue is “highly sensitive politically”.
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