Its to be used in the event that GPS is down or interfered with. It will be great for missile guidance systems.

It’s you who is delusional, Deino.. The world of the future will be able to sustain more than just F-35, PAK-FA and J-20.. The countries involved in the airframe business will try to retain their capabilities.. I think at least Korea and Japan have decent chances to get the bird into series.. And Russia, too, will need more than just one type, with UAE or without.. At some point, even EU kicks in.. As for Turkey, I agree that it’s probably the weakest one as they have practically zero design experience from the past..

But, assuming money is available, why should Russia have a problem to design and make another fighter is beyond me.. (?)

Having zero design experience does not mean a company will fail in designing a superior or good product. This is nothing more than a fallacy.

Turkish Aerospace Industries had zero experience in designing MALE Armed UAV’s, Utility Helicopters, Trainers, COIN aircraft but it has not stopped it form designing and developing these products using its own R&D. No one gave Turkey MALE UCAV design technology. It developed its own. The technology coming out of Turkey in the past 10 years is mind bogging. Some European countries today with mature industrial bases cannot produce Gallium Nitride (GaN) based radars. Yet the Turks have managed to achieve this.

Are you deliberately trying to not understand? Greece defused a situation. Didn’t actively pursuit to buy Russian equipment. When Greece’s former prime minister signed a deal for BMP 3’s, well let’s say there are rumours he was going to be assassinated! Needless to say that deal never went through!

This isn’t the first time Turkey has purchased arms from Russia and it won’t be the last. Turkey purchased 19 HiP helicopters and 70 armored personnel carriers from Russia in 93′ and 94′.

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Possibly too young and you don’t remember, but the s-300 were bought by Cyprus and because Turkey threatened Cyprus with another invasion if these anti-aircraft defensive weapons were deployed on the island, Greece bought Tor-M1’s and exchanged them with the S-300’s.

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The argument about whether NATO has a say in this acquisition is redundant.

Turkey has publicly stated that the Turkish Air Defence System comprising of Low Altitude, Medium Altitude and High Altitude Systems WILL NOT be integrated with the NATO systems in Turkey in any way shape or form.

Turkey has taken the costly step of having two parallel air defence systems: (1) A NATO integrated Air Defence system and (2) An independent indigenous Air Defence System.

Turkey intends to procure the S-400 for the second of the above. The second system will also NOT use NATO databases. There will thus be no data fusion between the two. See http://www.janes.com/article/68205/turkey-turns-to-russia-for-s-400-purchase

As the two systems are not physically linked in any way NATO has zero say on this acquisition. This is entirely a Turkish issue.

By the look of things Turkey will have one of the most impenetrable air defence systems in the region. Not only is it multi-layered it is also multi-systemed.

What this also means is that Turkey’s own Multifunction, Long-Range Phased Array Radars and its Long Range Passive Electronically Scanned Array Systems will not share data with NATO.

Kind of funny… When Greece bought S-300 systems no one considered Greek administation as “mad” or is something to be “removed by force”, or claimed Greeks betraying NATO, sleeping with Russians or any other nonsense currently thrown at Turkey. It was actually quite welcomed as NATO pilots would have the opportunity to train againist S-300.

Now the Turkey wants to buy S-400, and withness the comments here.. Thanks for supporting my comments about no one in NATO considers Turkey as a true ally but a mere cannon fodder to balance the superior Russian/Soviet land forces… A true “ally” would have been greatful, both for strengthening the NATO’s air defenses as a whole, and providing the opportunity to be trained againist best Russian ADGM system.

15 July 2016 was the beginning of Turkey’s process of exiting NATO.

There are many indicators that Turkey will be exiting or minimising its role in NATO in the foreseeable future.

Turkey has called for the end of NATO’s Standing Maritime Group 2 activities in the Aegean Sea.
Turkey has also asked NATO to respect the The Montreux Convention Regarding the Regime of the Straits, 1936 and is thus limiting the amount of vessels NATO can keep in the Black Sea i.e. protecting Russia.
Turkey also began construction of the Istanbul Canal thereby having the option of allowing Russia’s Black Sea fleet to enter the Mediterranean Sea at will once complete.
Turkey’s biggest trade partner is now the Russian Federation.
Russia is currently building and going to operate 2 large Nuclear Reactors in Turkey. Of interest is the fact that Russia is transferring nuclear enrichment technology to Turkey as well and fuel rod processing facilities as part of this deal. This is like making Turkey a nuclear power over night considering that Turkey has its own Uranium mines.
Turkey and Pakistan have also been working on Submarine launched ballistic missiles with multiple independently targetable re-entry vehicle technology.
This shows that Turkey may also be seeking its own independent nuclear umbrella aswell. Former FBI and CIA analyst Sibel Edmonds has also floated this idea.
The Moscow Declaration signed last year by Turkey-Russia-Iran also shows the level of cooperation between Turkey and Russia of late.

only 5% of oil is exported through turkey and even that is moving to alternate routes.

http://mobile.reuters.com/article/idUSL8N1G532F

Oh I didn’t realise you were referring to the planned Kirkuk Oil pipeline to Iran. This won’t go ahead and nothing will come of it. Israel-Turkey-Russia are working to prevent this. Yes Russia too because it compromises its Turkish Stream pipeline.

those large scales fundings without dividend return are thing of the past these Gulf states are not as rich as they used to be at higher energy prices plus they are disappointed in Turkish performance in Syria and Irak. Turkey is unable to dislodge Syrian government. Turkey unable to prevent Irak from increasing its oil production that is hitting there pocket books. Now Russia directly deals with those Gulf states to squeeze money out of them. I have read in reputable twitter account that Russia has told them that there is arms embargo for 5 years on Iran so they better get in line to compensate Russian arms industry. ultimately Russia procurement is going at such speed that it will completely block air and sea links of Middleast and EU unless those gulf states fully fund Russian investment funds and with highly efficient procurement and R&D Russia will be the only hegemon left in EU and Middleast. every on else will be weak and dependent.

Turkey’s aim in Syria was never to oust Assad. It knew very well this could not be achieved. Assad was a pretext for Turkey to launch Operation Euphrates Shield under the cover of a UN Security Council Resolution and prevent the Kurdish Cantons from joining to form a “Kurdish Corridor” on Turkey’s border.

As for Iraq increasing oil production- this oil transits Turkish territory and Turkey gets transit fees.