^Better watch out with France. They are not a sovereign country. The US could direct them to leave the program at any time

Dont worry Turkey is no longer putting all its eggs in one basket.

Turkey is working with Russia, Europe and other States on military technology so it hedges its political risk in defence programs.

Dassault Systèmes of France also officially joins the Turkish Aerospace Industries TF-X Fighter program. http://www.kokpit.aero/mmu-dassault-yazilim-destegi

The companies now working on the TF-X are as follows:

Turkish Companies
ASELSAN
HAVELSAN
AYESAS
Turkish Aerospace Industries
TUSAS Engine Industries
KALE Aerospace

Foreign Companies
BAE Systems PLC (UK)- Platform design & Integration Support Partner
Rolls-Royce (UK) – propulsion design and development Support Partner
Dassault Systèmes (France)- Mission Computer, Software/Algorithms, AI/Data Fusion Design Support Partner
Saab AB (Sweden)- Pre-conceptual design support Partner

Turkish Government issues formal tender for AIRCRAFT ARRESTING SYSTEMS (AAS) technology.

It intends to begin development efforts for the 300+ metre Aircraft Carrier arresting system for STOL aircraft. This will most likely be for land based testing and development phase.

See formal tender document in English: https://www.ssm.gov.tr/Images/Uploads/MyContents/V_20180516180632000492.pdf

Dear Bayar, the problem is not that we don’t like the discussion, but merely that fact what you are presenting, the way you present these information and most of all that – I would say with a lot of nationalistic fewer included – a normal decent discussion is simply not possible:

You are a presenting completely illusion plans, projects a country like the USA, Russia and China or multinational projects by the EU can barely manage with their budget and their vast expertise and experience and you even more present timelines and a budget, no one with the slightest sense of logic and understanding in aerospace matters would rate possible.

You are presenting lists of projects ranging from stealth fighters, trainers, transports, helicopters, AUVS, UCAVs and carriers that even the biggest aerospace countries have issues to manage and finance and you are presenting them as it would be some sort of plug-and-play.

One has to remember – and that’s not to diminish any Turkish achievements – but a fact: so far Turkey has not developed and fielded any significant major project on their own, none: No combat aircraft, no transport, no helicopter , … in fact NOTHING. All TAI so far has done was participating in local co-production and / or license manufacturing.

So I beg you to stay realistic and accept that there are not few who remain most skeptical on what will ever happen.

These projects – in fact – NONE could be taken seriously.

Even more you are oversimplifying the political background: the current path president Erdogan follows is most likely wrong, this playing one side against the other with the UE, USA and Russia will never ever ease the situation and make such projects even more unlikely to come to fruition. And that’s my third point of concern …

With respect Deino,

(1) Lack of experience does not mean Turkey cannot have such programs nor does it mean that such programs will be a total and utter failure.
(2) Co-production and licence production of platforms are achievements in and of itself which lead to indigenous programs.

I’ll show you how Turkey is doing this by giving Turkish Aerospace Industries and TUSAS Engine Industries as an example. Both the aforementioned companies were incorporated for licence production of the F-16 and General Electric F110. After the F-16 programs were completed both companies became OEM parts manufactures for other major defense companies. In the 1990’s, the companies then moved onto licenced production and co-production of parts for major international programs such as the Airbus A400m. In the early 2000’s, these two companies began to purchase intellectual property rights for existing disused platforms such as the AgustaWestland A-129 Magoosta and the upgrade them using subsystems designed, developed and produced by Turkish companies. With these programs these companies obtained experience with integration of sub-systems into complex platform. Subsequent to the success with this model, both Turkish Aerospace Industries and TUSAS Engine Industries commenced their own indigenous programs for combat aircraft and helicopter.

The below shows how Turkey went from having zero experience with helicopter production to becoming and indigenous designer and producer of both rotary wing aircraft and turbo shaft engines.

Turkey went from parts producer, to licence production of the T-120 (Agusta Westland A-129), T-70 (Sikorsky S-70i) and LHTEC T800 engine to indigenous platforms such as the T-130, T-625, 10 Ton Utility Helicopter and TEI TS-1400 Turbo-shaft engine!

Licenced Production Programs

T-129- Coproduction deal with AgustaWestland (now Leonardo)

TURKISH UTILITY HELICOPTER PROGRAM- T-70 (Coproduction/Licence production deal with Sikorsky for S-70i)

Turkish Aerospace Industries Indigenous Helicopter Programs

TAI T-130 ATAK 2- See https://www.tai.com.tr/en/product/atak-2

TAI 10 Ton Utility Helicopter- See https://www.tai.com.tr/en/product/10-ton-utility-helicopter

TAI 625- See https://www.tai.com.tr/en/products/helicopter

Indigenous Turbo-shaft Engine Program and Development

TS-1400 Turboshaft Engine for Indigenous Helicopters

Reliance on Russian aviation design prowess has not played well for the Indian’s FGFA. The Russian design bureaus could not pay their engineers in the 1990s so they all quit. For many their income was higher if they drove a taxi cab. When they left, the Russian design bureaus lost the expertise needed to field a workable weapon system. After the T-50 prototype rollout, the Russians seem to struggle with maturing it into an operational airplane.

Will the Russians suddenly develop the skills to help Turkey develop an airplane for a new aircraft carrier? I doubt it. Best to check with Dassault and see if they will sell Ms.

India does not have the experience Turkish Aerospace companies have with NATO standard aircraft production.

At the end of the day Turkish industry has been able to licence produce 300 F-16’s including their engines. They have also been a program partner for various international projects such as the A400M.

Turkish companies also produce various high tech subsystems such as avionics, 3rd Gen targeting pods, mission computers, AESA radar etc. All Turkey needs is assistance with design and development of a fuselage and propulsion system. It can then integrate NATO standard subsystems it develops.

President Putin of Russia informs his Turkish counterpart that Turkey can choose any combat aircraft in Russian production in the event that Washington imposes an Arms embargo on Turkey…or alternatively Turkey and Russia can co-develop a clean sheet aircraft together.

http://www.milliyet.com.tr/putin-acikladi-dunyanin-en-iyi-dunya-2676463/
https://www.aa.com.tr/en/todays-headlines/putin-turkey-has-right-to-choose-its-military-aircraft/1157062

Meanwhile, according to Turkish media sources US Officials have informed their Turkish counterparts that the first Turkish block of 30 F-35A’s will be delivered to the Turkish Air Force on 21 June 2018 with an Official handover ceremony at Fort Worth, Texas despite US Congressional moves to impose an embargo on Turkey.

https://www.sozcu.com.tr/2018/gundem/f-35lerin-turkiyeye-teslim-edilme-tarihi-belli-oldu-2396447/

So the problem was obviously not with the Trump Administration but Greek and Armenian Lobby backed Congressman.