Originally posted by PhantomII
Lol. Just thought you might want to know that the “high-quality” film you pointed out is scenes from the movie Iron Eagle.

:p
Negev sqn birds, some of the depicted might have been among the Osirak raiders.

A discussion about evolution, I’m sorry I missed this …

As plawolf says, evolution is one of the soundest theories out there. With our current ability to sequence DNA and proteins it has become possible to trace human evolution back in history and to locate our closer or farther “relatives” among other species on this planet. This work is in no way complete, and there are still many points of disagreement, but evolution is as good a theory as they get. Take perspiration for instance. The mechanism that allows our bodies to produce enegy through the use of oxygen is practically identical to every oxygen breathing creature in existance, even lowly bacteria.

Originally posted by djnik
Wow!is this Quwaiti Mirage?What missiles did they carry,Magics? Is it known which airplanes it shot down and was it by a single pilot or?

As MarocMirage already mentioned, it’s Israeli. It’s kills are:
8 June 67 – Reuven Rozen – Syrian MiG-17
21 May 69 – Reuven Rozen – Egyptian MiG-21
2 July 69 – Eitan Carmi – Egyptian MiG-21
2 July 69 – Eitan Carmi – Egyptian MiG-21
11 December 69 – Menahem Shmul – Syrian MiG-17
26 February 70 – Amos Amir – Egyptian MiG-21
2 April 70 – Amos Amir – Syrian MiG-21
25 April 70 – Amos Amir – Egyptian Il-28
8 October 73 – Oded Marom – Syrian MiG-17
12 October 73 – Avi Lanir – Syrian MiG-17
17 October 73 – Michael Tzuk – Egyptian MiG-21
19 April 74 – Abraham Shalmon – Syrian MiG-21
19 April 74 – Abraham Shalmon – Syrian MiG-21

No special scheme, no lovely scenary, just one very successful Mirage.

Nice one. Where did you get it, Erez?

That first bad one is Valley 088. Made quite a spectacular landing but is flying again.

Any good photos of Lebanese Mirages out there?

Nothing is inevitable, Turkey is not lost, but how do you expect to win it over to your side when you’re not even willing to put up a fight? Oh, they’ll sell you their oil, but when the prices are triple their current rate, you’ll discover that the money you need for border surveilance is not so easily come by. Not that it matters, since with a negative birth rate and aging population, Europe needs the immigrants. Without your help to solve their problems at home, they’ll just be importing it into your heartland, border control or not.

But all this is entirery beside the point. All you’ve dealt with are the examples, not the core of the issue. You assume your spheres of interest and that of the fanatics are mutually exclusive. This is hardly the case. Your interests go far beyond your borders, and neither do theirs stop on your frontiers.

Democracy will not arrive in the Middle East overnight, but that does not make it a cause unworthy to fight for. You think Muslims are unready for Democracy? How will they ever be when you’re not even willing to help them get there? The problems will not disappear simply because you choose to ignore them.
You keep bringing up World War II analogies in your arguments. “Not our problem” was a very popular argument back then as well. When the Germans entered the Ruhr, when you took over Austria or Czechoslovakia, with the Japanese in Manchuria, the Italians in Ethiopia and Fascists in Spain. Wasn’t Europe in for a surprise, huh? Appeasement doesn’t work, Europeans should be the last to think so.