February 20, Ramon AFB

Originally posted by Geforce
But the fact that there were tapes found with phrases from the Quran, letters send to different tv- stations, and that a forensic team from Israel is investigating the case, makes it more realistic we are dealing with Muslim terrorists.

The Israeli delegation was supposed to come from a the national forensic center, which has over the unfortunate past few years has managed to aqcuire quite an expertise in identifying bombing victims. This had nothing to do with the indentity of the perpertrators, be they ETA or Mulim exteremists. They are not going anyway, the Spanish don’t need them at this point.

Originally posted by phrozenflame
he said on TV that Israel never planned to attack Pak Nuke Facilities or assets….we know that was a lie now..

In 1979 Peres was in the opposition, so even if there was any plan, he would not have necessarily known of it. Besides, 1979 was two years before the strike on the Iraqi Osirak plant, which was considered a huge gamble at the time, no one was sure it would succeed. It was also a year before the IDF/AF received the F-16s which would eventually carry out the Iraq strike, at the very tip of their range. It’s hard to see how someone in 1979 would plan a strike at Pakistan, at more than twice the range. As the above mentioned article says “it is impossible to … measure the seriousness of Israel’s plan to attack the Pakistani arms facilities.” . Personaly, I don’t believe there was ever much substance to such a plan.
(Peres, BTW, is also well known to have opposed the Iraq strike)

Simple, Pakistan is not hostile to Israel, i dont know why it is to Pakistan.

With all due respect, it is Pakistan that refuses to recognize Israel, not the other way around, and while Pakistan has participated in two Arab-Israeli wars, Israel has never taken part in a war in the subcontinent. If Pakistan is dissatisfied with Israeli-Indian relations, there are ways to address such issues, that’s what embassies are for. Pakistani complaints are disingenious, it has made its choices and does not seem to be on the verge of reversing them.
There is no underlying hostility in Israel towards Pakistan, no outstanding issues, we would love to have displomatic relations. Don’t you have enough troubles that you’re looking for nonexistant animosities halfway across the planet?

Originally posted by phrozenflame
^^^ SEE FOR YOURSELVES!!! See if they can do it now 😎 so we know USA, Israel and India were all involved in the conspiracy, Peres lied on the face of Pak public when interviewed by Pak private Channel….After shaheen 2 Test, Our nukes are Safer than ever.

Peres lied about what?

Originally posted by plawolf
however im a little spectical abt the ETA connection. it doesnt look like their ‘style’ (if it can described as such), and they have denide responsility. it looks like another AlQ attack to me.:(

Not necessarily, car bombs are ETA’s speciality, although their attacks have never been nearly as deadly as this one. Their previous “record” is something like 20 fatalities in a Madrid attack. Maybe they were inspired by the magnitude of Al-Quida’s attacks, AQ’s never off the news, is it?
ETA is a very interesting organisation. From what I gather, it’s very unlike most well known organizations out there like the IRA or the Hamas, in that it consists of a very small number of people and does not actually continously try to expand. Its core is rumoured to consist of no more than a handful of people, which is why infiltrating and combating it is very difficult for Spain. I do hope they get these ba*tards.

I see we strongly disagree with what flag burning means. Flag burning isn’t just another form of political expression. It is at best a cheap trick to provoke and get attention (and is thereby entertainment all by itself), at worst a simple expression of hate and total rejection. It is quite possible to oppose US policy without sinking to such depths.
Therefore the context is indeed very important. A flag burnt in a sports arena, especially of the WWF type, is a poor stunt, as even the vast majority of the audience must know. The people on stage aren’t taken seriously to begin with, the trick is inflamatory, abnoxious, but at the end of the day quite obvious. It is far more meaningful when such antics take place at events which are taken seriously by all those present and countless others. A politically motivated rally, sometimes attended by members of various international groups, cannot degenerate into something which promotes hate. It makes hate politicaly acceptable, a short step away from making violence acceptable.
It is like other forms of hate speach. A rabid illiterate lunatic will never get the attention some eluqeunt speaker will receive, no matter how identical their message is. People don’t care what (insert wrestler name here) says, they do care what political, seemingly respectable figures do.

Originally posted by Arthur
I think there is a difference between the desecration of a flag as a political statement, and the desecration of a flag as part of something considered to be entertainment.

Both are one and the same, no one burns flags in the privacy of his own home. A French flag burned in front of a WWF audience is no worse than an American flag burned in front of TV cameras, the images beamed around the world. Everyone would like to think that his cause his high and just, while those of his opponents are not, his antics are justified while his opponents’ are crass. This is rarely the case.